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[Eryczek]

ok, find one study with good information about this topic, and also, mechanistically mewing wont even work because this is the age maturation for bones in kids, it was over before you were even conscious about looks.View attachment 32052
@Godveil_Heir, again mechanistically, you are wrong about everything, lmao.

so you post 3 studies, i completely disprove your claim and then you go and say that "there is not enough information on the topic" which is exactly what i said, there is no solid proof for either of us, are you blind? can you not read?

and then you go and post this slop which you dont even understand,

That table shows when MAJORITY OF DEVELOPEMENT of the face is mostly completed, not that the bones stop changing entirely, it describes growth speed in childhood and puberty, not lifelong remodeling capacity
After maturity, sutures are less adaptable, so posture is much less likely to cause large skeletal shifts but craniofacial bones still remodel in adults this is WHY braces, expansion devices, and normal aging change facial structure
So the table supports the idea that the best window for big growth modification is childhood, but it does NOT prove posture or mewing cant cause change after 18. It shows reduced potential, not zero chance...

again, youre posting some bullshit.

 

[Synapzyzz]

so you post 3 studies, i completely disprove your claim and then you go and say that "there is not enough information on the topic" which is exactly what i said, there is no solid proof for either of us, are you blind? can you not read?

and then you go and post this slop which you dont even understand,

That table shows when MAJORITY OF DEVELOPEMENT of the face is mostly completed, not that the bones stop changing entirely, it describes growth speed in childhood and puberty, not lifelong remodeling capacity
After maturity, sutures are less adaptable, so posture is much less likely to cause large skeletal shifts but craniofacial bones still remodel in adults this is WHY braces, expansion devices, and normal aging change facial structure
So the table supports the idea that the best window for big growth modification is childhood, but it does NOT prove posture or mewing cant cause change after 18. It shows reduced potential, not zero chance...

again, youre posting some bullshit.

sure, "bones surely keep growing after 18 with close growth plates" JFL, show any real proof whatsoever of your claims, u are not eviscerating anything, The tongue does not provide enough pressure or force for facial remodeling after 12, the mechanism of pressure works, but not for the tongue, and braces only expand the dental arch and might cause mild dentialveolar expansion, u don't even understand what are growth skeletal patterns do you?, expansion devices like MARPE and SARPE work because the mechanism is correct but the tongue isn't the proper tool, and also u lack any backing evidence for mewing supporting bone growth, bone growth is caused by chondrocytes replication ,and, the facial growth plates are the ones who close the fastest, and we want the best method that shows the fastest results, not some "maybe" or long ass hailmary for 1mm growth, also most facial growth after 18 is caused by periosteal thickening which is caused by testosterone, (not related to mewing), and and fat redistribution, which do not count as real elongation or growth, and both are non related to mewing, Godveil Heir

 

[Godveil Heir]

After maturity, sutures are less adaptable, so posture is much less likely to cause large skeletal shifts but craniofacial bones still remodel in adults this is WHY braces, expansion devices, and normal aging change facial structure

straight up false jfl
those sutures are for palate & don't change the outer appearance; just look up any xray

and orthodontic treatments are deemed ineffective for change, after 14

 

[XvideosDemon]

looking for any softmaxxing/midmaxxing advice

Ltn

Maybe a face transplant would do the trick

 

[Eryczek]

sure, "bones surely keep growing after 18 with close growth plates" JFL, show any real proof whatsoever of your claims, u are not eviscerating anything, The tongue does not provide enough pressure or force for facial remodeling, the mechanism of pressure works, but not for the tongue, and braces only expand the dental arch and might cause mild dentialveolar expansion, u don't even understand what are growth skeletal patterns do you?, expansion devices like MARPE and SARPE work because the mechanism is correct but the tongue isn't the proper tool, and also u lack any backing evidence for mewing supporting bone growth, bone growth is caused by chondrocytes replication ,and, the facial growth plates are the ones who close the fastest, and we want the best method that shows the fastest results, not some "maybe" or long ass hailmary for 1mm growth, also most facial growth after 18 is caused by periosteal thickening which is caused testosterone, (not related to mewing), and and fat redistribution, which do not count as real elongation or growth, and both are non related to mewing, Godveil Heir

you’re confusing GROWTH with REMODELLING. big growth from growth plates mostly ends after the teens, that part you are true about, but people can still have open sutures even up till 21. regardless, bone doesn’t become fixed. adult bone constantly remodels, which is why braces move teeth through bone and why expansion methods work at all after 18.
Braces aren’t “just dental.” teeth can only move because bone resorbs and reforms around them... MARPE/SARPE use stronger forces because adults are more resistant, not because bone stops responding without appliances.
The tongue doesn’t create huge orthopedic force, so it likely won’t cause major skeletal change. But saying it has zero effect is wrong... low, longterm functional forces can influence dentoalveolar position and surrounding , that is CLEARLY established in myofunctional and airway research articles.

so the PROPER debate is about how much change can happen, not whether change can happen at all, so again youre incorrect.


also stop tagging your boyfriend he wont help u in the debate other than rep ur posts jfl

 

[Synapzyzz]

you’re confusing GROWTH with REMODELLING. big growth from growth plates mostly ends after the teens, that part you are true about, but people can still have open sutures even up till 21. regardless, bone doesn’t become fixed. adult bone constantly remodels, which is why braces move teeth through bone and why expansion methods work at all after 18.
Braces aren’t “just dental.” teeth can only move because bone resorbs and reforms around them... MARPE/SARPE use stronger forces because adults are more resistant, not because bone stops responding without appliances.
The tongue doesn’t create huge orthopedic force, so it likely won’t cause major skeletal change. But saying it has zero effect is wrong... low, longterm functional forces can influence dentoalveolar position and surrounding , that is CLEARLY established in myofunctional and airway research articles.

so the PROPER debate is about how much change can happen, not whether change can happen at all, so again youre incorrect.


also stop tagging your boyfriend he wont help u in the debate other than rep ur posts jfl

"remodeling"

 

[Godveil Heir]

you’re confusing GROWTH with REMODELLING. big growth from growth plates mostly ends after the teens, that part you are true about, but people can still have open sutures even up till 21

remodelling doesn't change the bone structure btw

 

[Synapzyzz]

there you go, you said it yourself.

 

[Godveil Heir]

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there you go, AI chatbot said it yourself.

fixed it

 

[Eryczek]

straight up false jfl
those sutures are for palate & don't change the outer appearance; just look up any xray

and orthodontic treatments are deemed ineffective for change, after 14

that’s not accurate at all lmao Palatal sutures aren’t isolated from facial appearance... the maxilla is the structural base of the midface so changes in its width or position affect arch form, nasal cavity size, cheek support, and soft-tissue. thats WHY expansion treatments are used for airway and crossbite issues, not just teeth alignment... xrays of expansion cases show skeletal and alveolar changes even if they’re smaller in adults.


aalso orthodontic treatment is absolutely not considered ineffective after 14/ adults get orthodontics all the time with predictable tooth movement because bone remodels throughout life, instead What changes after adolescence is the amount and speed of skeletal response, not whether change can occur. That’s why adult cases often use stronger mechanics or adjuncts, not because treatment stops working lmao


So the result isn’t “nothing changes after 14.” It’s that growth modification is easier during puberty, WHICH IS W H A T I STATED

 

[Synapzyzz]

you’re confusing GROWTH with REMODELLING. big growth from growth plates mostly ends after the teens, that part you are true about, but people can still have open sutures even up till 21. regardless, bone doesn’t become fixed. adult bone constantly remodels, which is why braces move teeth through bone and why expansion methods work at all after 18.
Braces aren’t “just dental.” teeth can only move because bone resorbs and reforms around them... MARPE/SARPE use stronger forces because adults are more resistant, not because bone stops responding without appliances.
The tongue doesn’t create huge orthopedic force, so it likely won’t cause major skeletal change. But saying it has zero effect is wrong... low, longterm functional forces can influence dentoalveolar position and surrounding , that is CLEARLY established in myofunctional and airway research articles.

so the PROPER debate is about how much change can happen, not whether change can happen at all, so again youre incorrect.


also stop tagging your boyfriend he wont help u in the debate other than rep ur posts jfl

The tongue doesn’t create huge orthopedic force, so it likely won’t cause major skeletal change. But saying it has zero effect is wrong... low, longterm functional forces can influence dentoalveolar position and surrounding , that is CLEARLY established in myofunctional and airway research articles.

lmaoooooo, mirin iq. Godveil Heir

 

[XvideosDemon]

"remodeling"

(Aka bonesmashing he sooo tapped in )

 

[Synapzyzz]

that’s not accurate at all lmao Palatal sutures aren’t isolated from facial appearance... the maxilla is the structural base of the midface so changes in its width or position affect arch form, nasal cavity size, cheek support, and soft-tissue. thats WHY expansion treatments are used for airway and crossbite issues, not just teeth alignment... xrays of expansion cases show skeletal and alveolar changes even if they’re smaller in adults.


aalso orthodontic treatment is absolutely not considered ineffective after 14/ adults get orthodontics all the time with predictable tooth movement because bone remodels throughout life, instead What changes after adolescence is the amount and speed of skeletal response, not whether change can occur. That’s why adult cases often use stronger mechanics or adjuncts, not because treatment stops working lmao


So the result isn’t “nothing changes after 14.” It’s that growth modification is easier during puberty, WHICH IS W H A T I STATED

u said after 18, puberty ends at around 18-19, which is post puberty, make it make sense. Godveil Heir

 

[Eryczek]

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there you go, you said it yourself.

yes, I said that it likely wont cause MAJOR skeletal change, but if you cared to read any further I did state that it'd influence dentoalveolar areas which is INFACT supported by articles

 

[Eryczek]

fixed it

iqlet cant comprehend a well written and comprehensive counter-arguement

 

[Synapzyzz]

yes, I said that it likely wont cause MAJOR skeletal change, but if you cared to read any further I did state that it'd influence dentoalveolar areas which is INFACT supported by articles

so it wont ascend op!, it's a waste of time and a trash method. U said it urself, "he tongue doesn’t create huge orthopedic force, so it likely won’t cause major skeletal change. But saying it has zero effect is wrong... low, longterm functional forces can influence dentoalveolar position and surrounding , that is CLEARLY established in myofunctional and airway research articles." JFL Godveil Heir

 

[Eryczek]

u said after 18, puberty ends at around 18-19, which is post puberty, make it make sense.

puberty can end later in some cases... i stated this earlier lmao, puberty can go until early 20's

 

[XvideosDemon]

puberty can end later in some cases... i stated this earlier lmao, puberty can go until early 20's

True statement decently rare but true

My dad grew to 6-1 at 20 so it is possible js. Rare

 

[Synapzyzz]

puberty can end later in some cases... i stated this earlier lmao, puberty can go until early 20's

someone ending puberty at 21 is very rare. We go by the rule no the exception.

 

[Godveil Heir]

that’s not accurate at all lmao Palatal sutures aren’t isolated from facial appearance... the maxilla is the structural base of the midface so changes in its width or position affect arch form, nasal cavity size, cheek support, and soft-tissue

These make your palate wider, but they don’t really increase your FWHR or your facial depth.
Imagine your palate and teeth inside an empty box, with the box being your jaw and cheekbone structure.
The palate is just something hanging in there, with space between the outer walls (jaw/cheebnones etc.) and the palate itself.
These treatments make the palate wider, but from the outside you don’t really see any change.

 

[Eryczek]

so it wont ascend op!, it's a waste of time and a trash method. U said it urself, "
The tongue doesn’t create huge orthopedic force, so it likely won’t cause major skeletal change. But saying it has zero effect is wrong... low, longterm functional forces can influence dentoalveolar position and surrounding , that is CLEARLY established in myofunctional and airway research articles."

are you intentionally dense??? i said the tongue doesnt create a massive force, so it likely wont cause MAJOR change, do you even know what "dentoalveolar" means?

 

[Synapzyzz]

are you intentionally dense??? i said the tongue doesnt create a massive force, so it likely wont cause MAJOR change, do you even know what "dentoalveolar" means?

yes the alveolar sockets.

 

[Synapzyzz]

These make your palate wider, but they don’t really increase your FWHR or your facial depth.
Imagine your palate and teeth inside an empty box, with the box being your jaw and cheekbone structure.
The palate is just something hanging in there, with space between the outer walls (jaw/cheebnones etc.) and the palate itself.
These treatments make the palate wider, but from the outside you don’t really see any change.

we waz mewing n ascendin class 2 and 3 occlusion n shieeettt

 

[Synapzyzz]

These make your palate wider, but they don’t really increase your FWHR or your facial depth.
Imagine your palate and teeth inside an empty box, with the box being your jaw and cheekbone structure.
The palate is just something hanging in there, with space between the outer walls (jaw/cheebnones etc.) and the palate itself.
These treatments make the palate wider, but from the outside you don’t really see any change.

he said he corrected his underbite with mewing after 18 JFLLL..., an UNDERBITE.

 

[Godveil Heir]

he said he corrected his underbite with mewing after 18 JFLLL...

Idiot expelled