Serious enclo test base irrefutable evidence (1 Viewer)

[atrophicpyra]

actually he proved to me last night that he doesnt use AI. hes just knowlegeable bro

how

 

[Syna]

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average syna backpedalling btw

will never actually debate me on vc either bec he uses ai for every debate and thread

why would i waste my time and energy debating someone that can't even comprehend the definition of basic words and writes the most incoherent sentences ever?

 

[FoidSlayer]

how

we were on call and he was explaining ts to me off the top of his head. he literally just knows ts bro im being deadass

 

[Syna]

NEVER said higher roi on aas

they r safer if u take poper liver precautions i seen in bloodwork they r not as harsh as tren as long as ur liver is fine, they r more potent than test and other weaker aas 100%

sure all the fucking tons of SARM live failure cases are def just subjective, check Dr Alex Tatem which is a real doctor, he has documented and said how RAD 140 and a ton of other SARMs literally rape your liver and testosterone levels, don't take my word for it im not a doctor, take his word he's a real doctor.

 

[atrophicpyra]

we were on call and he was explaining ts to me off the top of his head. he literally just knows ts bro im being deadass

what did he tell u on the top of his head? that "subjective = emotions and mental"

 

[atrophicpyra]

sure all the fucking tons of SARM live failure cases are def just subjective, check Dr Alex Tatem which is a real doctor, he has documented and said how RAD 140 and a ton of other SARMs literally rape your liver and testosterone levels, don't take my word for it im not a doctor, take his word he's a real doctor.

just lost every ounce of hope and actually thinking maybe u knew what u were talking abt

this nigga thinks doctors know what they r talking abt they r all clueless

 

[FoidSlayer]

what did he tell u on the top of his head? that "subjective = emotions and mental"

he was explaining how sarms are shit and partial agonist stuff and molecule shapes and stuff. i was sleepy so i think i was giving him a hard time lol

 

[Syna]

just lost every ounce of hope and actually thinking maybe u knew what u were talking abt

this nigga thinks doctors know what they r talking abt they r all clueless

No comments, it's just funny.

 

[FoidSlayer]

just lost every ounce of hope and actually thinking maybe u knew what u were talking abt

this nigga thinks doctors know what they r talking abt they r all clueless

youre right bro! from now on i wont go to a docter unless they studied anecdotes on reddit

 

[the wizard]

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average syna backpedalling btw

will never actually debate me on vc either bec he uses ai for every debate and thread

doorhandle5 snap call method

 

[atrophicpyra]

doorhandle5 snap call method

youre right bro! from now on i wont go to a docter unless they studied anecdotes on reddit

No comments, it's just funny.

"my doctor told me enclo test base doesnt work he also told me aas was bad for me and that natty is gold"

 

[FoidSlayer]

"my doctor told me enclo test base doesnt work he also told me aas was bad for me and that natty is gold"
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youre making me break out in hives with how stressed youre making me

 

[Syna]

"my doctor told me enclo test base doesnt work he also told me aas was bad for me and that natty is gold"
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200 iq reasoning

 

[Syna]

what did he tell u on the top of his head? that "subjective = emotions and mental"

No, i actually posses the cognitive abilities to explain and define concepts, i'm not like you.

 

[atrophicpyra]

200 iq reasoning

nah bro doctor alex method is just backpeddaling and bringing up newbie posts

enclo test base doesnt work bec i said so, did i mention how u said dht grew bone boyo blud?????

 

[Syna]

nah bro doctor alex method is just backpeddaling and bringing up newbie posts

enclo test base doesnt work bec i said so, did i mention how u said dht grew bone boyo blud?????
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As always, great argumentation skills.

 

[the wizard]

nah bro doctor alex method is just backpeddaling and bringing up newbie posts

enclo test base doesnt work bec i said so, did i mention how u said dht grew bone boyo blud?????
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enclo test base doesn’t work because the evidence u found for it exists on reddit

 

[Syna]

nah bro doctor alex method is just backpeddaling and bringing up newbie posts

enclo test base doesnt work bec i said so, did i mention how u said dht grew bone boyo blud?????
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Why would you even take enclo as a test base when you can take something that is 10x more effective like test?

 

[atrophicpyra]

As always, great argumentation skills.

i would argue with u in vc with cams on our monitors to see who is a gptslopper or who actually undesrstands core functions of aas enclo test base etc.

 

[the wizard]

i would argue with u in vc with cams on our monitors to see who is a gptslopper or who actually undesrstands core functions of aas enclo test base etc.

bro stop doing the doorhandle5 method it doesn’t work

 

[the wizard]

i would argue with u in vc with cams on our monitors to see who is a gptslopper or who actually undesrstands core functions of aas enclo test base etc.

@Syna he’s trying to see if ur avi is you or not, on the off chance it’s taylor hill

 

[Dexter]

RAD140 suppresses the HPTA by activating androgen receptors in the pituitary which shuts down LH. enclo works by blocking estrogen receptors in the hypothalamus. but RAD140 is directly signaling the pituitary to stop producing LH. youre basically tryna force the pituitary to work with a SERM while the SARM is telling it to shut down

You are taking a SERM to raise T/E2 by blocking receptors but you want to add an AI to lower E2 by destroying the aromatase enzyme. What the fuck are you even doing?

do you WANT jaundice, cholestasis, and liver fibrosis?

 

[atrophicpyra]

Why would you even take enclo as a test base when you can take something that is 10x more effective like test?

oh my goodness bro, ok let me take so much time out of my day to list why enclo test base is perfect

1.perfect test levels, no risk to hyperresponding or megadoses test vials, it will be ur natural test input aka the perfect the test base

2.cost effective since u can pill chop ( almost 1 year supply of test base for $30 r u blind to how cost effective this??

3.very convenient, since we are all young we have parents who dont want us taking enclo so having something much more convenient and easier to take is pretty much golden

4.it has been proven to work on numerous reddit posts aka real people, the reason why i believe these posts over studies is because there are ZERO studies of doctors trying enclo with aas so we are very limited here

5.it is very safe to take unlike wwb test e (iykyk)

6.lmk if u need more reasons am happy to pull it from the back of my head

 

[dookiebootybutt59]

why is everyone shitting on this thread bro

 

[atrophicpyra]

why is everyone shitting on this thread bro

syna and the wizard love shitting on me even though i try and tell ppl all the niche shit i find llike enclo test base

 

[the wizard]

RAD140 suppresses the HPTA by activating androgen receptors in the pituitary which shuts down LH. enclo works by blocking estrogen receptors in the hypothalamus. but RAD140 is directly signaling the pituitary to stop producing LH. youre basically tryna force the pituitary to work with a SERM while the SARM is telling it to shut down

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You are taking a SERM to raise T/E2 by blocking receptors but you want to add an AI to lower E2 by destroying the aromatase enzyme. What the fuck are you even doing?

do you WANT jaundice, cholestasis, and liver fibrosis?

holy shit, i’ve been telling him this, every sarm users blood tests have had extremely elevated bilirubin, ACT, GGt and all the other liver health indicators, signaling extreme liver damage because sarms are generally 17a-alkylated to pass the liver metabolism, which is extremely hepatotoxic, how is @atrophicpyra this fucking retarded

 

[atrophicpyra]

RAD140 suppresses the HPTA by activating androgen receptors in the pituitary which shuts down LH. enclo works by blocking estrogen receptors in the hypothalamus. but RAD140 is directly signaling the pituitary to stop producing LH. youre basically tryna force the pituitary to work with a SERM while the SARM is telling it to shut down

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You are taking a SERM to raise T/E2 by blocking receptors but you want to add an AI to lower E2 by destroying the aromatase enzyme. What the fuck are you even doing?

do you WANT jaundice, cholestasis, and liver fibrosis?

i have seen every single liver damage report from rad140 which is why u need bloodwork at week 4 which would then save ur liver if ur unfortunate enough to respond badly to rad140

all these liver damage reports are from people who took 500mg nac instead 1000mg or some stupid shit aka they didnt take properprecuation

whats hypocritical about bringing this up is that there r more death reports of ppl taking tren than rad140 yet we all advocate tren

also for the enclo stuff, im not too sure how it works all i know is that it works and there r documents of it working on reddit, if u dont think its enough evidenc thats all you but im down to try it and dig deeper as to how far enclo test base can save u a few bucks from using normal test base

 

[atrophicpyra]

holy shit, i’ve been telling him this, every sarm users blood tests have had extremely elevated bilirubin, ACT, GGt and all the other liver health indicators, signaling extreme liver damage because sarms are generally 17a-alkylated to pass the liver metabolism, which is extremely hepatotoxic, how is @atrophicpyra this fucking retarded

same sides could be seen from tren and other aas super hypocritical, plus this is abslouetly not like this for everybody i would say its a 50/50

 

[Syna]

i would argue with u in vc with cams on our monitors to see who is a gptslopper or who actually undesrstands core functions of aas enclo test base etc.

I would agree to a debate if you actually were capable of logical thinking and reasoning, but you aren't, I've proved you wrong several times calling you out for your bullshit with real reasoning and scientific literature to back up and demonstrate my claims, and all you can say is "chat gpt" "ai" "humanizer" when I've already proved i don't use them countless of times, i don't need to waste my time debating someone who's not capable of understanding the basic definitions of words, cause then i would be the idiot for debating someone as retarded as you.

Debating is only useful when the individuals are reasonable and can admit when they are wrong, but you aren't, all you do is bring up nonsense to justify your poor reasoning and lack of argumentation skills "newbie threads" "those don't count" "gpt celing" "google celing" what's the issue with using factual verified information from PubMed to back up my arguments? If anything that's as impartial as things can get.

Even google disagreed with your bullshit like 3 times already and you can't admit you are wrong you literally said "Upload this to AI, if AI says im wrong then im wrong and i will shut up" tadaa we're still here.

Also the fact of how confident you are to say stuff that is blatantly wrong at some many levels is funny, you contradict yourself every 5 minutes, also the way you phrase sentences clearly shows you have a very poor and underdeveloped vocabulary, not to say anything but goes to show a lot about your arguing skills.

So with all of this i can definitely conclude i don't need to waste my time talking to someone as erratic, egocentric, and non objective as you, who on top of having an ego that foes through the fucking roof is also failing 7 subjects at school as we speak, and they want to change you to a "special" institution.

just lost every ounce of hope and actually thinking maybe u knew what u were talking abt

this nigga thinks doctors know what they r talking abt they r all clueless

Yeah, someone with real studies and medical training with a real medical degree which's expertise is regarding the use of PEDs is definitely clueless, we should not take doctors that studied for years and years seriously, lol.

 

[the wizard]

same sides could be seen from tren and other aas super hypocritical, plus this is abslouetly not like this for everybody i would say its a 50/50

nigga yes it is, sarms are extremely hepatotoxic to the point where everyone will accrue liver damage

 

[Syna]

same sides could be seen from tren and other aas super hypocritical, plus this is abslouetly not like this for everybody i would say its a 50/50

prove it's 50/50

 

[atrophicpyra]

I would agree to a debate if you actually were capable of logical thinking and reasoning, but you aren't, I've proved you wrong several times calling you out for your bullshit with real reasoning and scientific literature to back up and demonstrate my claims, and all you can say is "chat gpt" "ai" "humanizer" when I've already proved i don't use them countless of times, i don't need to waste my time debating someone who's not capable of understanding the basic definitions of words, cause then i would be the idiot for debating someone as retarded as you.

Debating is only useful when the individuals are reasonable and can admit when they are wrong, but you aren't, all you do is bring up nonsense to justify your poor reasoning and lack of argumentation skills "newbie threads" "those don't count" "gpt celing" "google celing" what's the issue with using factual verified information from PubMed to back up my arguments? If anything that's as impartial as things can get.

Even google disagreed with your bullshit like 3 times already and you can't admit you are wrong you literally said "Upload this to AI, if AI says im wrong then im wrong and i will shut up" tadaa we're still here.

Also the fact of how confident you are to say stuff that is blatantly wrong at some many levels is funny, you contradict yourself every 5 minutes, also the way you phrase sentences clearly shows you have a very poor and underdeveloped vocabulary, not to say anything but goes to show a lot about your arguing skills.

So with all of this i can definitely conclude i don't need to waste my time talking to someone as erratic, egocentric, and non objective as you, who on top of having an ego that foes through the fucking roof is also failing 7 subjects at school as we speak, and they want to change you to a "special" institution.

Yeah, someone with real studies and medical training with a real medical degree which's expertise is regarding the use of PEDs is definitely clueless, we should not take doctors that studied for years and years seriously, lol.

dnr

read a few lines though, i made a few mistakes with the subjective shit although im not even completely wrong and i can probably point out a few vocab mistakes u made aswel

anyway debate me on vc and enough with shit talking and bringing up old posts since u obviously know more of the core functions of all these compounds right?

 

[atrophicpyra]

prove it's 50/50

cant just said it was probably 50/50 from an assumption standpoint

 

[sensitive sapphire]

prove it's 50/50

acting like 50% isnt a bad rtrr

 

[Syna]

cant just said it was probably 50/50 from an assumption standpoint

i would say its a 50/50

 

[Syna]

cant just said it was probably 50/50 from an assumption standpoint

Assuming is dumb.

 

[sensitive sapphire]

why is everyone shitting on this thread bro

banger avis bro, just one after another

 

[Syna]

also for the enclo stuff, im not too sure how it works all i know is that it works and there r documents of it working on reddit, if u dont think its enough evidenc thats all you but im down to try it and dig deeper as to how far enclo test base can save u a few bucks from using normal test base

Real smart reasoning and argumentation

 

[atrophicpyra]

massive jfl you dont know much grammar either as we can tell

"i would say its 50/50"

notice how i said i? its subjective to my beliefs

"i would say its 50/50"

notice how i said would? its becauase its an assumption

 

[atrophicpyra]

Real smart reasoning and argumentation

can u argue as to why its working on reddit bloodwork of ppl who had the balls to actually do enclo and rad140?

if u give me a valid reason as to why they r lying or that the reasn why its not working is "placebo" JFLL then ill admit im wrong

 

[the wizard]

massive jfl you dont know much grammar either as we can tell

"i would say its 50/50"

notice how i said i? its subjective to my beliefs

"i would say its 50/50"

notice how i said would? its becauase its an assumption

you have said “more stronger” at least 10 times jfl indian

 

[atrophicpyra]

you have said “more stronger” at least 10 times jfl indian

correct terminology something being stronger means something having higher potency which rad140 clearly does over test

 

[the wizard]

correct terminology something being stronger means something having higher potency which rad140 clearly does over test

“potency=good” right?

 

[atrophicpyra]

“potency=good” rights?

yeah "its a partial agonist" only towards nonselective tissues the selective ones its fully potent towards jfl

 

[the wizard]

yeah "its a partial agonist" only towards nonselective tissues the selective ones its fully potent towards jfl

and how does this have a better roi than test? liver failure vs you being able to cum more often?

 

[Dexter]

no risk to hyperresponding or megadoses test vials

the goal of a "test base" is to provide a stable androgenic support. natural test fluctuates diurnally. exogenous testosterone provides predictable levels. Enclo during a SARM cycle provides unpredictable levels
a true "test base" refers to exogenous androgen administration that suppresses the HPTA via negative feedback, gives predictable, sustained, supraphysiological or high physiological androgen concentrations, maintains tissue level androgenic activity independent of endogenous LH/FSH pulsatility

the defining characteristic is reliability, the user knows exactly how much androgen is bioavailable at any given time (through controlled pharmacokinetics of exogenous testosterone esters (cypionate, enanthate, propionate) which produce predictable absorption, distribution, metabolism etc profiles)

i already talked about test fluctuating. Enclo does NOT abolish this diurnal variation. It simply elevates the baseline set point by increasing LH pulse amplitude and frequency. Consequently peak-to-trough fluctuation persists (morning levels remain higher than evening levels), inter individual variability is substantial (response depends on baseline HPTA function, age, adiposity). stress, sleep deprivation etc suppress endogenous production unpredictably

so relying on enclo during a SARM cycle introduces uncontrolled variables into the androgenic milieu, precisely what a test base is designed to eliminate


RAD140 has a high binding affinity for the AR. Its effects on the HPTA occur via hypothalamic AR activation (suppresses GnRH pulse generator activity), pituitary AR activation (reduces gonadotrope sensitivity to GnRH), indirect estrogenic feedback suppression (RAD140 is NOT aromatized to estrogens and lacks intrinsic estrogenic activity)
because RAD140 is non aromatizable the primary feedback signal that would normally trigger compensatory LH secretion is absent. this creates an asymmetric suppression where the androgen signal is high (suppressing the axis) but the estrogen signal is low or declining (which should normally stimulate gonadotropin release)

 

[the wizard]

the goal of a "test base" is to provide a stable androgenic support. natural test fluctuates diurnally. exogenous testosterone provides predictable levels. Enclo during a SARM cycle provides unpredictable levels
a true "test base" refers to exogenous androgen administration that suppresses the HPTA via negative feedback, gives predictable, sustained, supraphysiological or high physiological androgen concentrations, maintains tissue level androgenic activity independent of endogenous LH/FSH pulsatility

the defining characteristic is reliability, the user knows exactly how much androgen is bioavailable at any given time (through controlled pharmacokinetics of exogenous testosterone esters (cypionate, enanthate, propionate) which produce predictable absorption, distribution, metabolism etc profiles)

i already talked about test fluctuating. Enclo does NOT abolish this diurnal variation. It simply elevates the baseline set point by increasing LH pulse amplitude and frequency. Consequently peak-to-trough fluctuation persists (morning levels remain higher than evening levels), inter individual variability is substantial (response depends on baseline HPTA function, age, adiposity). stress, sleep deprivation etc suppress endogenous production unpredictably

so relying on enclo during a SARM cycle introduces uncontrolled variables into the androgenic milieu, precisely what a test base is designed to eliminate


RAD140 has a high binding affinity for the AR. Its effects on the HPTA occur via hypothalamic AR activation (suppresses GnRH pulse generator activity), pituitary AR activation (reduces gonadotrope sensitivity to GnRH), indirect estrogenic feedback suppression (RAD140 is NOT aromatized to estrogens and lacks intrinsic estrogenic activity)
because RAD140 is non aromatizable the primary feedback signal that would normally trigger compensatory LH secretion is absent. this creates an asymmetric suppression where the androgen signal is high (suppressing the axis) but the estrogen signal is low or declining (which should normally stimulate gonadotropin release)

@atrophicpyra just give up bro, ur doing the door handle5 spiral, ur grasping at straws atp

 

[atrophicpyra]

the goal of a "test base" is to provide a stable androgenic support. natural test fluctuates diurnally. exogenous testosterone provides predictable levels. Enclo during a SARM cycle provides unpredictable levels
a true "test base" refers to exogenous androgen administration that suppresses the HPTA via negative feedback, gives predictable, sustained, supraphysiological or high physiological androgen concentrations, maintains tissue level androgenic activity independent of endogenous LH/FSH pulsatility

the defining characteristic is reliability, the user knows exactly how much androgen is bioavailable at any given time (through controlled pharmacokinetics of exogenous testosterone esters (cypionate, enanthate, propionate) which produce predictable absorption, distribution, metabolism etc profiles)

i already talked about test fluctuating. Enclo does NOT abolish this diurnal variation. It simply elevates the baseline set point by increasing LH pulse amplitude and frequency. Consequently peak-to-trough fluctuation persists (morning levels remain higher than evening levels), inter individual variability is substantial (response depends on baseline HPTA function, age, adiposity). stress, sleep deprivation etc suppress endogenous production unpredictably

so relying on enclo during a SARM cycle introduces uncontrolled variables into the androgenic milieu, precisely what a test base is designed to eliminate


RAD140 has a high binding affinity for the AR. Its effects on the HPTA occur via hypothalamic AR activation (suppresses GnRH pulse generator activity), pituitary AR activation (reduces gonadotrope sensitivity to GnRH), indirect estrogenic feedback suppression (RAD140 is NOT aromatized to estrogens and lacks intrinsic estrogenic activity)
because RAD140 is non aromatizable the primary feedback signal that would normally trigger compensatory LH secretion is absent. this creates an asymmetric suppression where the androgen signal is high (suppressing the axis) but the estrogen signal is low or declining (which should normally stimulate gonadotropin release)

6.25mg doesnt have to be predictable because it always works relative to how much natural test ur pituitary can pump out

test e is unpredictable due to overdosed or underdosed vials, enclo tablets being underdosed has almost never been a thing.

everything has already be layed out by idiots on reddit who have tried the very cycle everything is very predictable now and pretty easy to assume what would happen to you if u were to take same said cycle, of enclo 6.25mg and rad140 10mg.

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this 100% works look at these threads aswell

https://www.reddit.com/r/rad140/comments/195j8ea/17_pounds_of_lean_mass_in_8_weeks_rad140_mk677

View: https://www.reddit.com/r/rad140/comments/195j8ea/17_pounds_of_lean_mass_in_8_weeks_rad140_mk677/

https://www.reddit.com/r/SARMs/comments/1dtkpau/mid_cycle_bloods_rad_140_enclomiphen

View: https://www.reddit.com/r/SARMs/comments/1dtkpau/mid_cycle_bloods_rad_140_enclomiphen/



@Syna @the wizard look fags

here we can obviously see that ur test levels r normal, it doesnt really matter abt predictability or how much test gets produced from the negative feedback system thats super irrleveant in the cycle since same could be said for 100mg of test e, u never know if that 100mg is gonna get u to 500nl of test e or 1,500nl of test e,

the variability of using a test e vial over 6.25mg ed enclo is alot higher

 

[the wizard]

bro @Syna @Dexter just ban him this has gone on so long

 

[atrophicpyra]

bro @Syna @Dexter just ban him this has gone on so long

ban reason: didnt allign with my beliefs and shit talked me even though i started shit talking him first and would not stop harrassing him