Serious enclo test base irrefutable evidence (1 Viewer)

[atrophicpyra]

bro @Syna @Dexter just ban him this has gone on so long

1/4th of ur posts r just harrassing me and not even contributing to the argument literally havent even made one point


congrats u have reached stalker level obssession



edit; acutally crazy enough it might even be 1/3 of ur posts being abt me JFL

 

[Syna]

oh my goodness bro, ok let me take so much time out of my day to list why enclo test base is perfect

1.perfect test levels, no risk to hyperresponding or megadoses test vials, it will be ur natural test input aka the perfect the test base

2.cost effective since u can pill chop ( almost 1 year supply of test base for $30 r u blind to how cost effective this??

3.very convenient, since we are all young we have parents who dont want us taking enclo so having something much more convenient and easier to take is pretty much golden

4.it has been proven to work on numerous reddit posts aka real people, the reason why i believe these posts over studies is because there are ZERO studies of doctors trying enclo with aas so we are very limited here

5.it is very safe to take unlike wwb test e (iykyk)

6.lmk if u need more reasons am happy to pull it from the back of my head

Didn't hear one single reason from a performance standpoint, just a convenience standpoint, the WWB argument is bs, if you can't source good quality test is not a compound issue but a you issue, from a long term data standpoint test is actually safer to take than Enclomiphene, the "perfect levels" you claim from Enclomephine is misleading and overstating:

Hence why TRT is still the go to option for treating conditions like hypogonadism.

Mechanistical standpoint:

Enclomiphene stimulates your natural production via LH/FSH, RAD 140 strongly suppresses your HPTA axis, this problem is not real with exogenous testosterone as it bypasses your HPTA axis, also, important to mention all the strong data regarding Enclomephine is from hypogonadal men (which were not taking suppressive compounds), but it's safe to affirm that SARMs will leave you with test levels similar or even worse to hypogonadal men anyways.

Using a compound like Enclomephine that stimulates endogenous test production via LH/FSH while using a compound like RAD 140 that strongly suppresses your HPTA axis is stupid and would only contribute to a negative feedback loop. SERMs work by blocking estrogen receptors in the hypothalamus, signaling low E2, when you're taking SARMs they are usually resistant to metabolism and conversion from the aromatase enzyme, therefore making the mechanism a lot less convenient and supper sloppy.

Especially when the suppression is this strong:

We need to understand this is not a 1:1 extrapolation but can be used as a reference to understand how suppressive this compound is.

The "No risk of hyper responding or megadoses" is absolute bullshit, and it's once again overstating,

est e is unpredictable due to overdosed or underdosed vials, enclo tablets being underdosed has almost never been a thing.

You would need to demonstrate this.

the negative feedback system thats super irrleveant in the cycle since same could be said for 100mg of test e, u never know if that 100mg is gonna get u to 500nl of test e or 1,500nl of test e,

Extremely backwards, you are confusing the raw bioavailability of a direct hormone with the responsiveness of a multi organ system feedback loop, also, when you inject 100mg of test e, you are introducing a fixed unchanging chemical mass into your body, the way your body responds is a whole other topic, and this whole "overshoot" thing would be cause of crushed SHBG.

the variability of using a test e vial over 6.25mg ed enclo is alot higher

Another backwards statement, again, testosterone has a cleaner mechanism that bypasses the HPTA axis and doesn't rely on LH/FSH to endogenously create this response, therefore from a mechanism standpoint it has a cleaner and simpler mechanism, again, SERMs work by blocking estrogen receptors in the hypothalamus, signaling low E2, when you're taking SARMs they are usually resistant to metabolism and conversion from the aromatase enzyme, do i need to explain why this is suboptimal as a mechanism?

We don't need a specific study on RAD 140 with Enclomephine to know how the underlying mechanism works, we know how strongly RAD 140 binds to the AR, and we know how the hypothalamus responds to heavy androgenic signaling (which is the total shutdown of the GnRH).

@Nardicus @surgerymax

 

[Nardicus]

Didn't hear one single reason from a performance standpoint, just a convenience standpoint, the WWB argument is bs, if you can't source good quality test is not a compound issue but a you issue, from a long term data standpoint test is actually safer to take than Enclomiphene, the "perfect levels" you claim from Enclomephine is misleading and overstating:

View attachment 50893

Hence why TRT is still the go to option for treating conditions like hypogonadism.

Mechanistical standpoint:

Enclomiphene stimulates your natural production via LH/FSH, RAD 140 strongly suppresses your HPTA axis, this problem is not real with exogenous testosterone as it bypasses your HPTA axis, also, important to mention all the strong data regarding Enclomephine is from hypogonadal men (which were not taking suppressive compounds), but it's safe to affirm that SARMs will leave you with test levels similar or even worse to hypogonadal men anyways.

Using a compound like Enclomephine that stimulates endogenous test production via LH/FSH while using a compound like RAD 140 that strongly suppresses your HPTA axis is stupid and would only contribute to a negative feedback loop. SERMs work by blocking estrogen receptors in the hypothalamus, signaling low E2, when you're taking SARMs they are usually resistant to metabolism and conversion from the aromatase enzyme, therefore making the mechanism a lot less convenient and supper sloppy.

Especially when the suppression is this strong:

View attachment 50902

We need to understand this is not a 1:1 extrapolation but can be used as a reference to understand how suppressive this compound is.

The "No risk of hyper responding or megadoses" is absolute bullshit, and it's once again overstating,


You would need to demonstrate this.

Extremely backwards, you are confusing the raw bioavailability of a direct hormone with the responsiveness of a multi organ system feedback loop, also, when you inject 100mg of test e, you are introducing a fixed unchanging chemical mass into your body, the way your body responds is a whole other topic, and this whole "overshoot" thing would be cause of crushed SHBG.

Another backwards statement, again, testosterone has a cleaner mechanism that bypasses the HPTA axis and doesn't rely on LH/FSH to endogenously create this response, therefore from a mechanism standpoint it has a cleaner and simpler mechanism, again, SERMs work by blocking estrogen receptors in the hypothalamus, signaling low E2, when you're taking SARMs they are usually resistant to metabolism and conversion from the aromatase enzyme, do i need to explain why this is suboptimal as a mechanism?

We don't need a specific study on RAD 140 with Enclomephine to know how the underlying mechanism works, we know how strongly RAD 140 binds to the AR, and we know how the hypothalamus responds to heavy androgenic signaling (which is the total shutdown of the GnRH).

@Nardicus @surgerymax

Good job give him 3 weeks to fully absorb this Incredibly useful information you have brought to him.

There not a single refute he can even make. Im done hearing about his fuck ass 'Reddit Annecdotes'

Hes scared to pin and wont accept it,

 

[Syna]

Good job give him 3 weeks to fully absorb this Incredibly useful information you have brought to him.

There not a single refute he can even make. Im done hearing about his fuck ass 'Reddit Annecdotes'

Hes scared to pin and wont accept it,

He's failing all of his classes and his parents want to change him to a "special education" school, explains a lot.

 

[surgerymax]

How is this irrefutable

Look
Enclo works by blocking estrogenic negative feedback at the hypothalamus/pituitary, which raises LH and FSH, which then drives endogenous testosterone production. The mechanism depends entirely on an intact, responsive HPG axis.

On a cycle with suppressive AAS comppunds like tren, anavar, whatever your HPG axis is shut down.

Enclomiphene can’t overcome that suppression , there’s no functional axis left to stimulate.
Your testes aren’t going to produce enough testosterone while bathed in exogenous androgens regardless of LH signaling

You’re showing fucking reddit case sample studies? not to mention some of these guys are literally PCTing or going into a cruise like how fucking retarded are you??

 

[surgerymax]

Did you seriously not even bother to read the post u uploaded
These guys are all either on PCT OR NOT ON FUCKING CYCLE JFL
The one guy who genuienly tried to run an enclo base is borderline hypogonadal

Even the reddit anecdotes you’re using go against your retarded point

 

[atrophicpyra]

Did you seriously not even bother to read the post u uploaded
These guys are all either on PCT OR NOT ON FUCKING CYCLE JFL
The one guy who genuienly tried to run an enclo base is borderline hypogonadal

Even the reddit anecdotes you’re using go against your retarded point

on purpose btw i wanted to show enclo with and without sarms jfl it works

Didn't hear one single reason from a performance standpoint, just a convenience standpoint, the WWB argument is bs, if you can't source good quality test is not a compound issue but a you issue, from a long term data standpoint test is actually safer to take than Enclomiphene, the "perfect levels" you claim from Enclomephine is misleading and overstating:

View attachment 50893

Hence why TRT is still the go to option for treating conditions like hypogonadism.

Mechanistical standpoint:

Enclomiphene stimulates your natural production via LH/FSH, RAD 140 strongly suppresses your HPTA axis, this problem is not real with exogenous testosterone as it bypasses your HPTA axis, also, important to mention all the strong data regarding Enclomephine is from hypogonadal men (which were not taking suppressive compounds), but it's safe to affirm that SARMs will leave you with test levels similar or even worse to hypogonadal men anyways.

Using a compound like Enclomephine that stimulates endogenous test production via LH/FSH while using a compound like RAD 140 that strongly suppresses your HPTA axis is stupid and would only contribute to a negative feedback loop. SERMs work by blocking estrogen receptors in the hypothalamus, signaling low E2, when you're taking SARMs they are usually resistant to metabolism and conversion from the aromatase enzyme, therefore making the mechanism a lot less convenient and supper sloppy.

Especially when the suppression is this strong:

View attachment 50902

We need to understand this is not a 1:1 extrapolation but can be used as a reference to understand how suppressive this compound is.

The "No risk of hyper responding or megadoses" is absolute bullshit, and it's once again overstating,


You would need to demonstrate this.

Extremely backwards, you are confusing the raw bioavailability of a direct hormone with the responsiveness of a multi organ system feedback loop, also, when you inject 100mg of test e, you are introducing a fixed unchanging chemical mass into your body, the way your body responds is a whole other topic, and this whole "overshoot" thing would be cause of crushed SHBG.

Another backwards statement, again, testosterone has a cleaner mechanism that bypasses the HPTA axis and doesn't rely on LH/FSH to endogenously create this response, therefore from a mechanism standpoint it has a cleaner and simpler mechanism, again, SERMs work by blocking estrogen receptors in the hypothalamus, signaling low E2, when you're taking SARMs they are usually resistant to metabolism and conversion from the aromatase enzyme, do i need to explain why this is suboptimal as a mechanism?

We don't need a specific study on RAD 140 with Enclomephine to know how the underlying mechanism works, we know how strongly RAD 140 binds to the AR, and we know how the hypothalamus responds to heavy androgenic signaling (which is the total shutdown of the GnRH).

@Nardicus @surgerymax

MASSIVE dnr idrgaf at the end of the day i tried helping u guys and u wont listen

 

[surgerymax]

on purpose btw i wanted to show enclo with and without sarms jfl it works

Yes enclo will bring back your test once your HPTA is not being suppressed by more circulating androgens ? So it still can’t replace a test base??

Also the only guy you showed on RAD140 + Enclo was pretty much hypogonadal , wow very effective test base bro

 

[atrophicpyra]

Yes enclo will bring back your test once your HPTA is not being suppressed by more circulating androgens ? So it still can’t replace a test base??

Also the only guy you showed on RAD140 + Enclo was pretty much hypogonadal , wow very effective test base bro

i promise u just look yourself and youll see what i mean

i dont really gain anything from convincing u guys it works at the end of the day i know it would work and thats all that matters

 

[Nardicus]

i promise u just look yourself and youll see what i mean

i dont really gain anything from convincing u guys it works at the end of the day i know it would work and thats all that matters

His account is rage bait, he gets off to arguments,
Based on this reply there is no way he even believes this. His bio say's it all.

ngl your a decent rage baiter

 

[Syna]

His account is rage bait, he gets off to arguments,
Based on this reply there is no way he even believes this. His bio say's it all.

ngl your a decent rage baiter

I edited his bio

 

[Nardicus]

I edited his bio

oh

 

[atrophicpyra]

His account is rage bait, he gets off to arguments,
Based on this reply there is no way he even believes this. His bio say's it all.

ngl your a decent rage baiter

ngl i just realized why the FUCK am i wasting my time trying to convince u fags abt such a niche thing like this?


your all right it doesnt work actually im super duper wrong totally never search that shit up on reddit or make anymore threads abt it lets keep it niche bec its such a dogshit idea

who tf would use enclo as a test base anyway? #lullz

 

[atrophicpyra]

I edited his bio

im keeping it as my bio it adds aura blud

https://www.tiktok.com/video/7189822369018547498

View: https://www.tiktok.com/@facelesstraders/video/7189822369018547498?is_from_webapp=1&sender_device=pc

 

[atrophicpyra]

Yes enclo will bring back your test once your HPTA is not being suppressed by more circulating androgens ? So it still can’t replace a test base??

Also the only guy you showed on RAD140 + Enclo was pretty much hypogonadal , wow very effective test base bro

oh

I edited his bio

look at most recent thread give thougts and opinions

 

[Syna]

im keeping it as my bio it adds aura blud
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https://www.tiktok.com/video/7189822369018547498

View: https://www.tiktok.com/@facelesstraders/video/7189822369018547498?is_from_webapp=1&sender_device=pc

I don’t know why you keep tryna make fun of me Jfl, I was an international student (IB system) and I actually know stuff about chemistry cause im studying to go to medschool, you keep making fun of it but you’re failing all of your classes and are a fucking subhuman baboon with sub room temp iq.

 

[atrophicpyra]

I don’t know why you keep tryna make fun of me Jfl, I was an international student (IB system) and I actually know stuff about chemistry cause im studying to go to medschool, you keep making fun of it but you’re failing all of your classes and are a fucking subhuman baboon with sub room temp iq.

massive jfl ur gonna become a wageslave cuck, am not failing its confirmed i bassically passed my year

your gonna be my accountant counting money and shit in the cuck corner while i go crack every eve on earth

either that or ur gonna be injecting chinese herbs into little bunnies assholes to see whether or not they induce osteoblastic properties and research slave for us kings to ascend

 

[the wizard]

I don’t know why you keep tryna make fun of me Jfl, I was an international student (IB system) and I actually know stuff about chemistry cause im studying to go to medschool, you keep making fun of it but you’re failing all of your classes and are a fucking subhuman baboon with sub room temp iq.

i’m in IB aswell, i got signed up for 4 HLs no joke

 

[atrophicpyra]

i’m in IB aswell, i got signed up for 4 HLs no joke

 

[the wizard]

i’m in IB aswell, i got signed up for 4 HLs no joke

chem phys business and history, i was able to cut a study block

 

[atrophicpyra]

chem phys business and history, i was able to cut a study block

damn all this for u guys to be proffessional cucks watching me crack my harlem of eves and evelites

 

[the wizard]

damn all this for u guys to be proffessional cucks watching me crack my harlem of eves and evelites

niggas say anything

 

[atrophicpyra]

niggas say anything

online school method to achieve guarenteed fph is better than any ivy sysytem

 

[the wizard]

online school method to achieve guarenteed fph is better than any ivy sysytem

niggas say anything

 

[Syna]

massive jfl ur gonna become a wageslave cuck, am not failing its confirmed i bassically passed my year

your gonna be my accountant counting money and shit in the cuck corner while i go crack every eve on earth

either that or ur gonna be injecting chinese herbs into little bunnies assholes to see whether or not they induce osteoblastic properties and research slave for us kings to ascend

focus on passing your subjects first lil nigga

 

[Syna]

online school method to achieve guarenteed fph is better than any ivy sysytem

IB* not ivy.

 

[atrophicpyra]

focus on passing your subjects first lil nigga

lil nigga? dude ur not black what the fuck is wrong with u


just hurt my feelings am gonna riot in ny and rape


bbc supperiority

 

[Syna]

lil nigga? dude ur not black what the fuck is wrong with u


just hurt my feelings am gonna riot in ny and rape


bbc supperiority

You're a clown, you didn't provide a single factual argument against our evisceration,

Did you seriously not even bother to read the post u uploaded
These guys are all either on PCT OR NOT ON FUCKING CYCLE JFL
The one guy who genuienly tried to run an enclo base is borderline hypogonadal

Even the reddit anecdotes you’re using go against your retarded point

lol, surgerymax, nardi and i own your ass retard.

 

[atrophicpyra]

You're a clown, you didn't provide a single factual argument against our evisceration,

lol, surgerymax, nardi and i own your ass retard.

whos winning at the end of the day



me who knows enclo test base works


or you who thinks it doesnt?

 

[Syna]

whos winning at the end of the day



me who knows enclo test base works


or you who thinks it doesnt?

whatever you say sweety, now go eat your dino nuggets and grilled cheese sandwich, you can talk about dinosaur all you want later.

 

[atrophicpyra]

whatever you say sweety, now go eat your dino nuggets and grilled cheese sandwich, you can talk about dinosaur all you want later.

go look at my most recent thread give ur opinions on my stack to avoid turning retarded or dying on tren var test gh

 

[Syna]

go look at my most recent thread give ur opinions on my stack to avoid turning retarded or dying on tren var test gh

Nah we´re good.

 

[atrophicpyra]

Nah we´re good.

tuff


fuck u syna

 

[Syna]

ngl i just realized why the FUCK am i wasting my time trying to convince u fags abt such a niche thing like this?


your all right it doesnt work actually im super duper wrong totally never search that shit up on reddit or make anymore threads abt it lets keep it niche bec its such a dogshit idea

who tf would use enclo as a test base anyway? #lullz

on purpose btw i wanted to show enclo with and without sarms jfl it works


MASSIVE dnr idrgaf at the end of the day i tried helping u guys and u wont listen

Confirmation bias final boss.