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Brutal statement from a study to grab your attention:
"Women respond to broad shoulders far more powerfully than men respond to breasts, making suits the more powerful of the two. Do you know that lustful feeling well-cloven cleavage can instil in you? Well, broad shoulders give women that same feeling, except stronger"
I think, we all know a narrow frame is bad and a wide one is good but i'm just going to drop examples here.
So already you can see which physique looks better with the first image, while the first guy has more vascularity and muscle mass he is never going to pull a girl and the guy with the worse physique will probably look bigger in t-shirts. Even if you're good looking if you have a narrow frame you're going to look very stupid, your shirts wont fit as well, your head will look a lot bigger and your proportions will be off. Take image two as an example, the guy has the same face in both pictures but which one is more appealing? Second one. The narrow frame curse goes beyond looks as well, some examples:
Fighting:
1. Reach and striking distance
Longer clavicles usually mean broader shoulders and a bit more wingspan. That extra reach lets you hit while staying slightly farther away, which is optimal.
2. Better leverage for punches
Your shoulders are part of the lever system that transfers force from your body into your hands. With a wider base, you often get better torque and stability when rotating your torso, which can translate to harder, more controlled punches. This is why black people punch hard asf even if they're skinny.
3. Grappling
You're not a professional fighter. If you ever fight it's going to be a street fight which often turn into grabbing, pushing, or wrestling. A wider frame can make it easier to resist being moved around and to control someone’s upper body. Look at any proper fight videos from your school, I gurantee you one guy is trying to slam the other and usually the one with the bigger frame is doing it.
Clothing:
Most clothes are built for average to wide frames
A lot of brands design clothing assuming the people who buy it have an average or wider frame.
so if your clavicles are narrow:
- Shoulder seams hang past your actual shoulder
- Fabric bunches near the chest/arms
- It just looks stupid
- you cant do hoodie method to cast a cheekbone shadow.
Carrying stuff:
Narrow shoulders give straps less surface area to sit on, if you are a youngcell and go to school and have a narrow frame you'll notice your backpack straps tend to fall off. It can also concentrate pressure instead of spreading it out. My girlfriend (I'm not changing my user) actually carries her school purse/bag better than I do when I do it for her because the force is spread out and she has room on her shoulders to carry it.
(and while some of you may use this as cope "oh you have narrow shoulders but have a gf!!! it's never over! no it's over she obssess over some kpop star with a wide frame, whose 5'10 and less muscular than me, but remember he has a wideframe. Not to be a cuck but i'd be an idiot if I think she wouldnt drop me for him.) DNR this part.
SO in summary: It is very important for men to be tall, wide framed, and heavy, not only for looks but for fighting, fitting in clothes, and carrying stuff.
Moving on:
Scapula:
This guy doesent exactly have wide clavicles they are pretty average but he has a enormous wide Scapula which extends well above his horizontal ribcage width.
The shape and outward positioning of the scapula are largely determined by genetics, with factors like androgen receptor sensitivity and density playing a role.
The most important feature is the lateral projection of the glenoid cavity (the neck of the scapula). If this area is narrow, especially when combined with a downward-sloping humerus insertion, the shoulders can appear compressed against the ribcage.
While shoulder slope is often influenced by clavicle shape, one common trait among individuals with more aesthetically broad shoulders is relatively straight clavicles. It’s not just the overall width that matters, but how straight the clavicles are, since that affects how wide and open the shoulders appear. This brings us to the actual clavicle insertions.
Straight clavicles determine how Broad/squarish and straight in General your shoulders will look
Feminine short curved V shaped clavicles not only makes the shoulders look sloped which makes the clavicles look even MORE narrow but it also results in a horizontal narrow chest Insertion, a chest muscle insertions which grows downward rather than laterally outwards.
it Looks HORRIBLE, it's like those hoes with crazy sagging tits.
Example:
two people with the same shoulder width (biacromial breadth): one has square shoulders, the other more sloped shoulders. The person with square shoulders will appear wider—both visually and structurally—after gaining the same amount of muscle, because their deltoids project more directly outward rather than at an upward angle.
For someone with sloped shoulders, increasing deltoid size can make the slope more noticeable, since the added muscle follows that existing angle instead of projecting straight out to the sides.
Example:
(you're starting to see that hardwork does not pay off nor win against genetics)
My counter argument to gymcells who will cope and use examples like this:
While they may have not had the widest frame to begin with they were still genetically gifted with an impressive clavicular/shoulder structure to begin with which allowed them a straight lateral Deltoid projection.
So at the end of the day it all comes to structure and while you CAN make you're frame wider it often looks uncanny and it's very easy to tell you're hiding your small clavicle and horrible scapula structure with you're muscle. MORE will never beat structure or genetics, its like nocturnal kent, big bones but they look hideous!
while making this post I realised I have a lot of these negative traits and made myself more insecure
"Women respond to broad shoulders far more powerfully than men respond to breasts, making suits the more powerful of the two. Do you know that lustful feeling well-cloven cleavage can instil in you? Well, broad shoulders give women that same feeling, except stronger"
I think, we all know a narrow frame is bad and a wide one is good but i'm just going to drop examples here.
So already you can see which physique looks better with the first image, while the first guy has more vascularity and muscle mass he is never going to pull a girl and the guy with the worse physique will probably look bigger in t-shirts. Even if you're good looking if you have a narrow frame you're going to look very stupid, your shirts wont fit as well, your head will look a lot bigger and your proportions will be off. Take image two as an example, the guy has the same face in both pictures but which one is more appealing? Second one. The narrow frame curse goes beyond looks as well, some examples:
Fighting:
1. Reach and striking distance
Longer clavicles usually mean broader shoulders and a bit more wingspan. That extra reach lets you hit while staying slightly farther away, which is optimal.
2. Better leverage for punches
Your shoulders are part of the lever system that transfers force from your body into your hands. With a wider base, you often get better torque and stability when rotating your torso, which can translate to harder, more controlled punches. This is why black people punch hard asf even if they're skinny.
3. Grappling
You're not a professional fighter. If you ever fight it's going to be a street fight which often turn into grabbing, pushing, or wrestling. A wider frame can make it easier to resist being moved around and to control someone’s upper body. Look at any proper fight videos from your school, I gurantee you one guy is trying to slam the other and usually the one with the bigger frame is doing it.
Clothing:
Most clothes are built for average to wide frames
A lot of brands design clothing assuming the people who buy it have an average or wider frame.
so if your clavicles are narrow:
- Shoulder seams hang past your actual shoulder
- Fabric bunches near the chest/arms
- It just looks stupid
- you cant do hoodie method to cast a cheekbone shadow.
Carrying stuff:
Narrow shoulders give straps less surface area to sit on, if you are a youngcell and go to school and have a narrow frame you'll notice your backpack straps tend to fall off. It can also concentrate pressure instead of spreading it out. My girlfriend (I'm not changing my user) actually carries her school purse/bag better than I do when I do it for her because the force is spread out and she has room on her shoulders to carry it.
(and while some of you may use this as cope "oh you have narrow shoulders but have a gf!!! it's never over! no it's over she obssess over some kpop star with a wide frame, whose 5'10 and less muscular than me, but remember he has a wideframe. Not to be a cuck but i'd be an idiot if I think she wouldnt drop me for him.) DNR this part.
SO in summary: It is very important for men to be tall, wide framed, and heavy, not only for looks but for fighting, fitting in clothes, and carrying stuff.
Moving on:
Scapula:
This guy doesent exactly have wide clavicles they are pretty average but he has a enormous wide Scapula which extends well above his horizontal ribcage width.
The shape and outward positioning of the scapula are largely determined by genetics, with factors like androgen receptor sensitivity and density playing a role.
The most important feature is the lateral projection of the glenoid cavity (the neck of the scapula). If this area is narrow, especially when combined with a downward-sloping humerus insertion, the shoulders can appear compressed against the ribcage.
While shoulder slope is often influenced by clavicle shape, one common trait among individuals with more aesthetically broad shoulders is relatively straight clavicles. It’s not just the overall width that matters, but how straight the clavicles are, since that affects how wide and open the shoulders appear. This brings us to the actual clavicle insertions.
Straight clavicles determine how Broad/squarish and straight in General your shoulders will look
Feminine short curved V shaped clavicles not only makes the shoulders look sloped which makes the clavicles look even MORE narrow but it also results in a horizontal narrow chest Insertion, a chest muscle insertions which grows downward rather than laterally outwards.
it Looks HORRIBLE, it's like those hoes with crazy sagging tits.
Example:
two people with the same shoulder width (biacromial breadth): one has square shoulders, the other more sloped shoulders. The person with square shoulders will appear wider—both visually and structurally—after gaining the same amount of muscle, because their deltoids project more directly outward rather than at an upward angle.
For someone with sloped shoulders, increasing deltoid size can make the slope more noticeable, since the added muscle follows that existing angle instead of projecting straight out to the sides.
Example:
(you're starting to see that hardwork does not pay off nor win against genetics)
My counter argument to gymcells who will cope and use examples like this:
While they may have not had the widest frame to begin with they were still genetically gifted with an impressive clavicular/shoulder structure to begin with which allowed them a straight lateral Deltoid projection.
So at the end of the day it all comes to structure and while you CAN make you're frame wider it often looks uncanny and it's very easy to tell you're hiding your small clavicle and horrible scapula structure with you're muscle. MORE will never beat structure or genetics, its like nocturnal kent, big bones but they look hideous!
while making this post I realised I have a lot of these negative traits and made myself more insecure
