Guide The Importance of MARPE for the Underdeveloped & Underage (1 Viewer)

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MARPE was introduced around the 2010 era, a short while after skeletal anchorage in 1999, it stands as a profound method to increase maxillary width, and fix nasal air pathways, the reason MARPE is so important for young, underdeveloped individuals is simply because it fixes deformities in the zygomatic, maxillary, and nasal region, avoiding future issues which may occur, and obviously increasing aesthetics by a fair few points for some.

MARPE Success​

Most Studies done by clinical parties have concluded that MARPE works best in young people, specifically age 15 or below is when they noticed significant growth in all areas mentioned above - up to an 84%-87% success rate, above this age we start to jump into the young adult territory, to where they noticed only SLIGHT improvement in the zygos, maxilla, and nasal pathway. Yet again this is more reason for young individuals to look into this if they are lacking in the lower third.

MARPE provides significant skeletal change, as shown in the graph below:

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These are of course from individuals in the 15 and below category, with young adults, and adults only seeing changes in mostly the nasal cavity, which includes a wider nose, along with this they saw slight change in maxillary development, however for us looksmaxxers this is not much at all to be considered feasible or worth our time. And with changes like wider nose, it can easily become a failo due to an illusion showing the IPD as wider than it was before MARPE. As seen below on an adult skull, the white is before and the light blue are the changes (very slight).

4. Stability of changes acquired with MARPE

Long-term stability reports were difficult to find. In an article presenting 30.2 13.2 months of follow-up results, the skeletal and dental expansion was stable with less than 0.5-mm change, and maxillary clinical crown heights did not change significantly, indicating favourable periodontal conditions. Another article with 1year post-expansion reported similar stable skeletal and dental changes. In addition, the decreased buccal bone thickness and increased palatal bone thickness experienced during expansion tended to return to pre-treatment pattern with increase in buccal bone thickness and decrease in palatal bone thickness during the follow-up period. The maxillary molar inclination, which had been buccally tipped immediately after expansion, was also returned. Both reports showed good stability of the maxillary expansion by MARPE without significant periodontal side effects. However, there have been few longer follow-up results, especially with post retention data. Moreover, various retention protocols after MARPE have been reported, pointing towards necessity for well established retention protocols.

For young individuals, MARPE is believed to majorly support breathing pathways, even supporting a young individual afflicted with sleep apnea, which was resolved 5 months into the regimen. However this will need to be studied by an orthodontist to assess whether the individual in question will benefit from MARPE for reasons like sleep apnea, especially if jaw growth is already healthy, as this risks widening the jaw beyond reasonable means, which even for non-blackpilled operators; may not be worth it whatsoever.

Below are scans taken which show improvements in young people...

MARPE for Aesthetics​

MARPE is still being looked into as of today, and if you are young, I would personally say 16 and under, and you fear you may have undergrowth in lower third, zygomatics, or your airway is bad, I would recommend looking into MARPE, consult an orthodontist and see what they say, as this could completely remove your need for implants & fillers in the near future. One thing I would say regarding aesthetics is you need to assess yourself whether your nose, brow ridge, IPD, etc. will be affected negatively doing this, and be sure to ask this to your orthodontist, because every person's case is different...and it may make you in need of other surgeries in the future.

The last thing you want is 2 - 3 extra surgeries required because you attempting to avoid 1 surgery (jaw).

Good Luck.

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[MedSlayer]

Mirin the thread i love the mention of ratios most people dont think about that before doing marpe

 

[justnemat]

Mirin hard

 

[Bukoz]

Info​

MARPE was introduced around the 2010 era, a short while after skeletal anchorage in 1999, it stands as a profound method to increase maxillary width, and fix nasal air pathways, the reason MARPE is so important for young, underdeveloped individuals is simply because it fixes deformities in the zygomatic, maxillary, and nasal region, avoiding future issues which may occur, and obviously increasing aesthetics by a fair few points for some.

MARPE Success​

Most Studies done by clinical parties have concluded that MARPE works best in young people, specifically age 15 or below is when they noticed significant growth in all areas mentioned above - up to an 84%-87% success rate, above this age we start to jump into the young adult territory, to where they noticed only SLIGHT improvement in the zygos, maxilla, and nasal pathway. Yet again this is more reason for young individuals to look into this if they are lacking in the lower third.

MARPE provides significant skeletal change, as shown in the graph below:
View attachment 41192​

These are of course from individuals in the 15 and below category, with young adults, and adults only seeing changes in mostly the nasal cavity, which includes a wider nose, along with this they saw slight change in maxillary development, however for us looksmaxxers this is not much at all to be considered feasible or worth our time. And with changes like wider nose, it can easily become a failo due to an illusion showing the IPD as wider than it was before MARPE. As seen below on an adult skull, the white is before and the light blue are the changes (very slight).

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For young individuals, MARPE is believed to majorly support breathing pathways, even supporting a young individual afflicted with sleep apnea, which was resolved 5 months into the regimen. However this will need to be studied by an orthodontist to assess whether the individual in question will benefit from MARPE for reasons like sleep apnea, especially if jaw growth is already healthy, as this risks widening the jaw beyond reasonable means, which even for non-blackpilled operators; may not be worth it whatsoever.

Below are scans taken which show improvements in young people...

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MARPE for Aesthetics​

MARPE is still being looked into as of today, and if you are young, I would personally say 16 and under, and you fear you may have undergrowth in lower third, zygomatics, or your airway is bad, I would recommend looking into MARPE, consult an orthodontist and see what they say, as this could completely remove your need for implants & fillers in the near future. One thing I would say regarding aesthetics is you need to assess yourself whether your nose, brow ridge, IPD, etc. will be affected negatively doing this, and be sure to ask this to your orthodontist, because every person's case is different...and it may make you in need of other surgeries in the future.

The last thing you want is 2 - 3 extra surgeries required because you attempting to avoid 1 surgery (jaw).

Good Luck.

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mirin

 

[Hauptmann]

not a molecule go kys nigger

 

[Recession]

is there no point after 16

 

[Holy]

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[MedSlayer]

is there no point after 16

The benefits wont be as great but its still worth it depending on your issues

 

[Recession]

The benefits wont be as great but its still worth it depending on your issues

tbh i defintely could get it cuz sometimes i bite the sides of my tounge just due to how narrow my palate is

 

[CameronDarkTriadmax]

tbh i defintely could get it cuz sometimes i bite the sides of my tounge just due to how narrow my palate is

In that case you should look into it.

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Seen your vids, I must say I'm mirin the lack of bones your facial skeleton has.

 

[aryanfoidrxper31]

15 8 months i can get it installed in june-july. would reverse pull headgear be more effective at this age for a decent amount of maxillary protrusion? also should i be due decent aesthetic results considering my intermolar width is only 33mm yet im still not noticeably recessed?

 

[CameronDarkTriadmax]

would reverse pull headgear be more effective at this age for a decent amount of maxillary protrusion?

No, not at all. I'd go to the extent to claim that mewing is more effective than reverse pull headgear.

Also should i be due decent aesthetic results considering my intermolar width is only 33mm yet im still not noticeably recessed?

Absolutely, results should be a much wider intermolar width, closer to ideal resulting in vast aesthetic differences as well.

15 8 months i can get it installed in june-july.

Please do. In your case you will NOT regret it.

 

[aryanfoidrxper31]

No, not at all. I'd go to the extent to claim that mewing is more effective than reverse pull headgear.

Absolutely, results should be a much wider intermolar width, closer to ideal resulting in vast aesthetic differences as well.

Please do. In your case you will NOT regret it.

thats great to hear. my ortho said they offer something more discreet and effective and i assume they are referring to bone anchored maxillary protrusion.

would this be effective in getting some forward growth and ccw rotation?

 

[CameronDarkTriadmax]

thats great to hear. my ortho said

If that is what they're referring to then absolutely that will help, there's less speculation around Bone Anchored Maxillary Protrusion compared to MARPE, and it is much more effective with almost guaranteed results. You can do both at the same time as well if you're keen.

I predict you will get very good forward growth from this, as well as CCW, it could also fix any other issues you may have relating to airway and overall facial aesthetics.

 

[aryanfoidrxper31]

If that is what they're referring to then absolutely that will help, there's less speculation around Bone Anchored Maxillary Protrusion compared to MARPE, and it is much more effective with almost guaranteed results. You can do both at the same time as well if you're keen.

I predict you will get very good forward growth from this, as well as CCW, it could also fix any other issues you may have relating to airway and overall facial aesthetics.

damn you can get it seperately? so you don't need the suture to be split with marpe for it to work?
i could potentially get both if there isn't a huge additional cost.
also how come people like bwython used headgear rather than bamp? was it due to cost?

 

[CameronDarkTriadmax]

damn you can get it seperately? so you don't need the suture to be split with marpe for it to work?
i could potentially get both if there isn't a huge additional cost.

An orthodontist would be able to answer this better than me, but yes, both can be done simultaneously as they share the same outcomes.

Ask an orthodontist on the pricing, if it isn't much more or if the orthodontist suggests you do BAMP instead of MARPE, then follow them with good faith as both are good suggestions.

also how come people like bwython used headgear rather than bamp? was it due to cost?

I'm not sure on why they would do that, it could be a multitude of factors...It could definitely be cost, as MARPE & BAMP are generally more expensive than the headgear, headgear is also the more traditional alternative, in my humble opinion it just seems a bit of a ridiculous device to invest in, why do that when you have devices nowadays such as MARPE and BAMP?

Ultimately, it is your choice.

 

[truelmtn]

Info​

MARPE was introduced around the 2010 era, a short while after skeletal anchorage in 1999, it stands as a profound method to increase maxillary width, and fix nasal air pathways, the reason MARPE is so important for young, underdeveloped individuals is simply because it fixes deformities in the zygomatic, maxillary, and nasal region, avoiding future issues which may occur, and obviously increasing aesthetics by a fair few points for some.

MARPE Success​

Most Studies done by clinical parties have concluded that MARPE works best in young people, specifically age 15 or below is when they noticed significant growth in all areas mentioned above - up to an 84%-87% success rate, above this age we start to jump into the young adult territory, to where they noticed only SLIGHT improvement in the zygos, maxilla, and nasal pathway. Yet again this is more reason for young individuals to look into this if they are lacking in the lower third.

MARPE provides significant skeletal change, as shown in the graph below:
View attachment 41192​

These are of course from individuals in the 15 and below category, with young adults, and adults only seeing changes in mostly the nasal cavity, which includes a wider nose, along with this they saw slight change in maxillary development, however for us looksmaxxers this is not much at all to be considered feasible or worth our time. And with changes like wider nose, it can easily become a failo due to an illusion showing the IPD as wider than it was before MARPE. As seen below on an adult skull, the white is before and the light blue are the changes (very slight).

View attachment 41193





For young individuals, MARPE is believed to majorly support breathing pathways, even supporting a young individual afflicted with sleep apnea, which was resolved 5 months into the regimen. However this will need to be studied by an orthodontist to assess whether the individual in question will benefit from MARPE for reasons like sleep apnea, especially if jaw growth is already healthy, as this risks widening the jaw beyond reasonable means, which even for non-blackpilled operators; may not be worth it whatsoever.

Below are scans taken which show improvements in young people...

View attachment 41195View attachment 41196


MARPE for Aesthetics​

MARPE is still being looked into as of today, and if you are young, I would personally say 16 and under, and you fear you may have undergrowth in lower third, zygomatics, or your airway is bad, I would recommend looking into MARPE, consult an orthodontist and see what they say, as this could completely remove your need for implants & fillers in the near future. One thing I would say regarding aesthetics is you need to assess yourself whether your nose, brow ridge, IPD, etc. will be affected negatively doing this, and be sure to ask this to your orthodontist, because every person's case is different...and it may make you in need of other surgeries in the future.

The last thing you want is 2 - 3 extra surgeries required because you attempting to avoid 1 surgery (jaw).

Good Luck.

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mirin so hard