Guide The Art of Lying – A Guide to Deception (4 Viewers)

[FoidSlayer]

Lying is human nature

Morality does not exist in nature

= lying is good

If morality doesn't exist in nature then lying is neither good or bad

 

[Peace]

good and bad is subjective to the individual

 

[realhmtn]

If morality doesn't exist in nature then lying is neither good or bad

It’s simply a tool people use to achieve their goals.

 

[FoidSlayer]

It’s simply a tool people use to achieve their goals.

It's only an issue if people find out

 

[realhmtn]

Pin worthy? Godveil Heir

 

[FoidSlayer]

Pin worthy? Godveil Heir

You know he loves this kinda shit

 

[realhmtn]

You know he loves this kinda shit

I spent 3-4 hours on this but it was genuinely interesting to learn more about deception.

This thread mainly consists of basic knowledge but I can always make a more advanced part for real dark triad maxers like myself.

 

[Z1gler7]

Dnr

who are you to say this

 

[Peace]

but I can always make a more advanced part

go ahead i would enjoy it bhai

 

[realhmtn]

go ahead i would enjoy it bhai

I will wait a while, see if this one does well first. Most people won't even take the time to read this.

 

[realhmtn]

who are you to say this

Tell 'em bhai

 

[Biomaxx]

The Art of Lying

Made by realhmtn



Table of Contents

Spoiler

- Three main types of lies
- Why some lies work
- Keep your lies simple
- Behaviour of bad liars
- Physical distance when lying
- Managing your lies
- Conclusion

Introduction

This thread explains the basic principles of deception and how people use different forms of lying to manipulate situations.


There are three types of lies

Spoiler: Paltering

Paltering is when someone provides technically truthful statemens while still misleading the listener or avoiding the real question.

Instead of lying directly, they respond with information that sounds honest but avoids the actual issue.

Spoiler: Example

A reporter asks a politician if he was involved in corruption.

He responds:

"I am not part of any illegal financial deals."

This statement may be technically true at that moment, but it avoids the fact that he may have been involved in shady business earlier.

Paltering is common in politics, interviews and public statements because it allows someone to appear honest while still being misleading.

Spoiler: Omission

Omission is when someone tells part of the truth while leaving out important details.

Instead of saying something false, they simply hide key information that would change how the situation is understood.

Spoiler: Example

Someone is asked if they finished an assignment.

They respond:

"I worked on it last night."

This may be true, but they avoid mentioning that the assignment still isn't finished.

Omission is common in everyday conversations because it allows someone to avoid consequences while technically not saying anything false.

Spoiler: Comission

Comission is when someone simply says something that isn't true.

Instead of hiding information or misleading with true statements, the person directly makes a false claim.

Spoiler: Example

Someone arrives late to work.

They say:

"My car broke down this morning."

In reality, they simply woke up late.

Commision is the most obvious form of lying, because the statement itself can be proven false if evidence appears.

Why some lies work

Spoiler

A lie is more believable when it sounds realistic.

Both the liar and the person being deceived must feel that the situation could actually happen.

Spoiler: Example

Instead of inventing a complicated excuse, someone might say:

"My bus got delayed so I’m running late."

Simple and believable explanations are easier for people to accept.

People are also more likely to believe a lie when it fits their expectations. If the explanation matches what normally happens in real life, it is less likely to be questioned.

Another reason lies work is that most people assume honesty by default. In a normal conversation, people rarely analyze every statement for deception.

Lies are also more convincing when they contain a small element of truth (paltering). Mixing truthful details with a false claim makes the story easier to believe.

Keep your lies simple

Spoiler

One common mistake inexperienced liars make is adding unnecessary details.

More details create more chances for inconsistencies later.

Spoiler: Example

If someone lies about a flat tire, explaining exactly how it happened and how angry they were can make the story suspicious.

Simple lies are easier to remember and maintain.

Another problem with detailed lies is that they often invite follow-up questions. The more information you provide, the more opportunities others have to notice contradictions.

Because of this, the most believable lies are usually short, simple and leave little room for verification later on.

Behavior of bad liars

Spoiler

Many people expose themselves through unusual behavior when lying.

Common signs include:
- fidgeting
- over smiling
- excessive gestures
- acting overly nervous

These behaviours usually happen because lying creates psychological stress. People often become more aware of how they are acting and start over-controlling their behaviour, which ends up looking unnatural.

Some people also avoid eye contact or physical proximity, because lying can create discomfort during social interaction.

Experienced liars (like myself, :insert sigma:) behave normal and calm, which makes our stories more believable.

Physical distance when lying

Spoiler

People often unconsciously create distance from someone they are lying to.

This happens because lying can cause psychological discomfort. Creating distance is a natural reaction when someone feels uneasy or guilty.

This behaviour is most noticeable with people we are normally close to, such as:
- parents
- friends
- romantic partners

In normal interactions with these people, physical closeness (standing near them, sitting next to them) is common. When someone suddenly avoids that closeness, it can sometimes signal discomfort.

Liars may also subconsciously:
- lean away from the person
- turn their body slightly away
- reduce physical contact

These small changes in body language can make the interaction feel less natural.

Maintaining normal behaviour and proximity helps a lie appear more convincing, because it avoids drawing attention to unusual behaviour.

Managing your lies

Spoiler

People get caught lying because they tell too many lies.

When stories are shared with many people, inconsistencies appear.

The more people who hear a lie, the higher the chance the details will eventually contradict eachother.

Good lie management includes:
- lying rarely
- keeping stories simple
- only lying when there is something to gain

I shouldn't have to say this; but it is also important to avoid changing details later, since even small differences can make a story seem suspicious.

Consistency is what determines whether a lie survives.

Conclusion

Spoiler

Understanding deception makes it easier to recognize when someone is manipulating a conversation.

Most lies fail because people:
- add too many details
- act unnaturally
- tell the lie to too many people

The most believable lies are simple, realistic and consistent.

In many cases, deception does not rely on saying something completely false, but on hiding information, redirecting questions or presenting truthful statements in a misleading way.

This is why techniques such as paltering and omission are often more effective than direct lies.

Spoiler: References

General research on lying & deception:
Ekman, P. Telling Lies: Clues to Deceit in the Marketplace, Politics, and Marriage.
Vrij, A. (2008). Detecting Lies and Deceit: Pitfalls and Opportunities.
Levine, T. R. (2018). “Scientific evidence and cue theories in deception research.” https://ijoc.org/index.php/ijoc/article/viewFile/7838/2374
Vrij, A. (2022). “Verbal Lie Detection: Past, Present and Future.” https://www.mdpi.com/2076-3425/12/12/1644
Paltering
Rogers, T., Zeckhauser, R., Gino, F., Norton, M., & Schweitzer, M. (2017).
Harvard Business School working paper on paltering. https://www.hbs.edu/ris/Publication Files/rogers zeckhauser gino norton schweitzer_33bcc35b-1eeb-45d4-ba24-908c660172c9.pdf
APA report on paltering research. https://www.apa.org/news/press/releases/2016/12/true-lies
Omission vs Comision
Rogers et al. studies comparing lying by omission, commission, and paltering. https://www.williamjames.edu/news/study-lying-with-the-truth-is-risky.html
Research on deception types in social interactions. https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/10.1086/733780
Behavioral signs of lying
Vrij, A. (2000, 2008). Research on behavioral cues and deception detection. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7767987/
Studies on speech and behavioral cues to deception. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6634475/
Lie detection research
Mann, S., Vrij, A., & Bull, R. (2004). “Detecting true lies: Police officers’ ability to detect suspects’ lies.” https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/spycatcher/201203/the-truth-about-lie-detection
Granhag, P. A., & Strömwall, L. A. (2004). The Detection of Deception in Forensic Contexts. https://www.cambridge.org/core/book...-and-present/D424686B9D1BC0BC8C27E587B44A8225
Evolution and psychology of lying
American Scientist article on the origins of deception in human behavior. https://www.americanscientist.org/article/the-origins-of-lying-and-deception-in-everyday-life
I used GPT to correct and organize all the information in an orderly fashion.

I literally learnted the dark pshycology at young age

 

[FoidSlayer]

I literally learnted the dark pshycology at at young age

Y'all are joking but I'm serious

 

[Biomaxx]

Y'all are joking but I'm serious

 

[FoidSlayer]

I was just joking, lying is bad

 

[Synapzyzz]

finished reading and i lowk love it. Im dark triad sigma now

 

[realhmtn]

finished reading and i lowk love it. Im dark triad sigma now
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Epic

 

[idkwhatodo]

The Art of Lying

Made by realhmtn



Table of Contents

Spoiler

- Three main types of lies
- Why some lies work
- Keep your lies simple
- Behaviour of bad liars
- Physical distance when lying
- Managing your lies
- Conclusion

Introduction

This thread explains the basic principles of deception and how people use different forms of lying to manipulate situations.


There are three types of lies

Spoiler: Paltering

Paltering is when someone provides technically truthful statemens while still misleading the listener or avoiding the real question.

Instead of lying directly, they respond with information that sounds honest but avoids the actual issue.

Spoiler: Example

A reporter asks a politician if he was involved in corruption.

He responds:

"I am not part of any illegal financial deals."

This statement may be technically true at that moment, but it avoids the fact that he may have been involved in shady business earlier.

Paltering is common in politics, interviews and public statements because it allows someone to appear honest while still being misleading.

Spoiler: Omission

Omission is when someone tells part of the truth while leaving out important details.

Instead of saying something false, they simply hide key information that would change how the situation is understood.

Spoiler: Example

Someone is asked if they finished an assignment.

They respond:

"I worked on it last night."

This may be true, but they avoid mentioning that the assignment still isn't finished.

Omission is common in everyday conversations because it allows someone to avoid consequences while technically not saying anything false.

Spoiler: Comission

Comission is when someone simply says something that isn't true.

Instead of hiding information or misleading with true statements, the person directly makes a false claim.

Spoiler: Example

Someone arrives late to work.

They say:

"My car broke down this morning."

In reality, they simply woke up late.

Commision is the most obvious form of lying, because the statement itself can be proven false if evidence appears.

Why some lies work

Spoiler

A lie is more believable when it sounds realistic.

Both the liar and the person being deceived must feel that the situation could actually happen.

Spoiler: Example

Instead of inventing a complicated excuse, someone might say:

"My bus got delayed so I’m running late."

Simple and believable explanations are easier for people to accept.

People are also more likely to believe a lie when it fits their expectations. If the explanation matches what normally happens in real life, it is less likely to be questioned.

Another reason lies work is that most people assume honesty by default. In a normal conversation, people rarely analyze every statement for deception.

Lies are also more convincing when they contain a small element of truth (paltering). Mixing truthful details with a false claim makes the story easier to believe.

Keep your lies simple

Spoiler

One common mistake inexperienced liars make is adding unnecessary details.

More details create more chances for inconsistencies later.

Spoiler: Example

If someone lies about a flat tire, explaining exactly how it happened and how angry they were can make the story suspicious.

Simple lies are easier to remember and maintain.

Another problem with detailed lies is that they often invite follow-up questions. The more information you provide, the more opportunities others have to notice contradictions.

Because of this, the most believable lies are usually short, simple and leave little room for verification later on.

Behavior of bad liars

Spoiler

Many people expose themselves through unusual behavior when lying.

Common signs include:
- fidgeting
- over smiling
- excessive gestures
- acting overly nervous

These behaviours usually happen because lying creates psychological stress. People often become more aware of how they are acting and start over-controlling their behaviour, which ends up looking unnatural.

Some people also avoid eye contact or physical proximity, because lying can create discomfort during social interaction.

Experienced liars (like myself, :insert sigma:) behave normal and calm, which makes our stories more believable.

Physical distance when lying

Spoiler

People often unconsciously create distance from someone they are lying to.

This happens because lying can cause psychological discomfort. Creating distance is a natural reaction when someone feels uneasy or guilty.

This behaviour is most noticeable with people we are normally close to, such as:
- parents
- friends
- romantic partners

In normal interactions with these people, physical closeness (standing near them, sitting next to them) is common. When someone suddenly avoids that closeness, it can sometimes signal discomfort.

Liars may also subconsciously:
- lean away from the person
- turn their body slightly away
- reduce physical contact

These small changes in body language can make the interaction feel less natural.

Maintaining normal behaviour and proximity helps a lie appear more convincing, because it avoids drawing attention to unusual behaviour.

Managing your lies

Spoiler

People get caught lying because they tell too many lies.

When stories are shared with many people, inconsistencies appear.

The more people who hear a lie, the higher the chance the details will eventually contradict eachother.

Good lie management includes:
- lying rarely
- keeping stories simple
- only lying when there is something to gain

I shouldn't have to say this; but it is also important to avoid changing details later, since even small differences can make a story seem suspicious.

Consistency is what determines whether a lie survives.

Conclusion

Spoiler

Understanding deception makes it easier to recognize when someone is manipulating a conversation.

Most lies fail because people:
- add too many details
- act unnaturally
- tell the lie to too many people

The most believable lies are simple, realistic and consistent.

In many cases, deception does not rely on saying something completely false, but on hiding information, redirecting questions or presenting truthful statements in a misleading way.

This is why techniques such as paltering and omission are often more effective than direct lies.

Spoiler: References

General research on lying & deception:
Ekman, P. Telling Lies: Clues to Deceit in the Marketplace, Politics, and Marriage.
Vrij, A. (2008). Detecting Lies and Deceit: Pitfalls and Opportunities.
Levine, T. R. (2018). “Scientific evidence and cue theories in deception research.” https://ijoc.org/index.php/ijoc/article/viewFile/7838/2374
Vrij, A. (2022). “Verbal Lie Detection: Past, Present and Future.” https://www.mdpi.com/2076-3425/12/12/1644
Paltering
Rogers, T., Zeckhauser, R., Gino, F., Norton, M., & Schweitzer, M. (2017).
Harvard Business School working paper on paltering. https://www.hbs.edu/ris/Publication Files/rogers zeckhauser gino norton schweitzer_33bcc35b-1eeb-45d4-ba24-908c660172c9.pdf
APA report on paltering research. https://www.apa.org/news/press/releases/2016/12/true-lies
Omission vs Comision
Rogers et al. studies comparing lying by omission, commission, and paltering. https://www.williamjames.edu/news/study-lying-with-the-truth-is-risky.html
Research on deception types in social interactions. https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/10.1086/733780
Behavioral signs of lying
Vrij, A. (2000, 2008). Research on behavioral cues and deception detection. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7767987/
Studies on speech and behavioral cues to deception. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6634475/
Lie detection research
Mann, S., Vrij, A., & Bull, R. (2004). “Detecting true lies: Police officers’ ability to detect suspects’ lies.” https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/spycatcher/201203/the-truth-about-lie-detection
Granhag, P. A., & Strömwall, L. A. (2004). The Detection of Deception in Forensic Contexts. https://www.cambridge.org/core/book...-and-present/D424686B9D1BC0BC8C27E587B44A8225
Evolution and psychology of lying
American Scientist article on the origins of deception in human behavior. https://www.americanscientist.org/article/the-origins-of-lying-and-deception-in-everyday-life
I used GPT to correct and organize all the information in an orderly fashion.

Ppl be makin guides abt anything nowadays

 

[realhmtn]

Ppl be makin guides abt anything nowadays

I can't make a guide on human psychology we use daily?

Ok "idkwhatodo"

 

[idkwhatodo]

I can't make a guide on human psychology we use daily?

Ok "idkwhatodo"

Sorry if u got ofended "realhmtn" by me pointing out how obvious this guide is and borderline useless, brotha if u cant lie properly its over.Nonetheless i apreciate the effort

 

[realhmtn]

Sorry if u got ofended "realhmtn" by me pointing out how obvious this guide is and borderline useless, brotha if u cant lie properly its over.Nonetheless i apreciate the effort

True. This is all basic knowledge, just wanted to make a thread tbh.

Lying is mostly genetic and linked to your personality. You either can or you can't.

 

[HailSanta]

The Art of Lying

Made by realhmtn



Table of Contents

Spoiler

- Three main types of lies
- Why some lies work
- Keep your lies simple
- Behaviour of bad liars
- Physical distance when lying
- Managing your lies
- Conclusion

Introduction

This thread explains the basic principles of deception and how people use different forms of lying to manipulate situations.


There are three types of lies

Spoiler: Paltering

Paltering is when someone provides technically truthful statemens while still misleading the listener or avoiding the real question.

Instead of lying directly, they respond with information that sounds honest but avoids the actual issue.

Spoiler: Example

A reporter asks a politician if he was involved in corruption.

He responds:

"I am not part of any illegal financial deals."

This statement may be technically true at that moment, but it avoids the fact that he may have been involved in shady business earlier.

Paltering is common in politics, interviews and public statements because it allows someone to appear honest while still being misleading.

Spoiler: Omission

Omission is when someone tells part of the truth while leaving out important details.

Instead of saying something false, they simply hide key information that would change how the situation is understood.

Spoiler: Example

Someone is asked if they finished an assignment.

They respond:

"I worked on it last night."

This may be true, but they avoid mentioning that the assignment still isn't finished.

Omission is common in everyday conversations because it allows someone to avoid consequences while technically not saying anything false.

Spoiler: Comission

Comission is when someone simply says something that isn't true.

Instead of hiding information or misleading with true statements, the person directly makes a false claim.

Spoiler: Example

Someone arrives late to work.

They say:

"My car broke down this morning."

In reality, they simply woke up late.

Commision is the most obvious form of lying, because the statement itself can be proven false if evidence appears.

Why some lies work

Spoiler

A lie is more believable when it sounds realistic.

Both the liar and the person being deceived must feel that the situation could actually happen.

Spoiler: Example

Instead of inventing a complicated excuse, someone might say:

"My bus got delayed so I’m running late."

Simple and believable explanations are easier for people to accept.

People are also more likely to believe a lie when it fits their expectations. If the explanation matches what normally happens in real life, it is less likely to be questioned.

Another reason lies work is that most people assume honesty by default. In a normal conversation, people rarely analyze every statement for deception.

Lies are also more convincing when they contain a small element of truth (paltering). Mixing truthful details with a false claim makes the story easier to believe.

Keep your lies simple

Spoiler

One common mistake inexperienced liars make is adding unnecessary details.

More details create more chances for inconsistencies later.

Spoiler: Example

If someone lies about a flat tire, explaining exactly how it happened and how angry they were can make the story suspicious.

Simple lies are easier to remember and maintain.

Another problem with detailed lies is that they often invite follow-up questions. The more information you provide, the more opportunities others have to notice contradictions.

Because of this, the most believable lies are usually short, simple and leave little room for verification later on.

Behavior of bad liars

Spoiler

Many people expose themselves through unusual behavior when lying.

Common signs include:
- fidgeting
- over smiling
- excessive gestures
- acting overly nervous

These behaviours usually happen because lying creates psychological stress. People often become more aware of how they are acting and start over-controlling their behaviour, which ends up looking unnatural.

Some people also avoid eye contact or physical proximity, because lying can create discomfort during social interaction.

Experienced liars (like myself, :insert sigma:) behave normal and calm, which makes our stories more believable.

Physical distance when lying

Spoiler

People often unconsciously create distance from someone they are lying to.

This happens because lying can cause psychological discomfort. Creating distance is a natural reaction when someone feels uneasy or guilty.

This behaviour is most noticeable with people we are normally close to, such as:
- parents
- friends
- romantic partners

In normal interactions with these people, physical closeness (standing near them, sitting next to them) is common. When someone suddenly avoids that closeness, it can sometimes signal discomfort.

Liars may also subconsciously:
- lean away from the person
- turn their body slightly away
- reduce physical contact

These small changes in body language can make the interaction feel less natural.

Maintaining normal behaviour and proximity helps a lie appear more convincing, because it avoids drawing attention to unusual behaviour.

Managing your lies

Spoiler

People get caught lying because they tell too many lies.

When stories are shared with many people, inconsistencies appear.

The more people who hear a lie, the higher the chance the details will eventually contradict eachother.

Good lie management includes:
- lying rarely
- keeping stories simple
- only lying when there is something to gain

I shouldn't have to say this; but it is also important to avoid changing details later, since even small differences can make a story seem suspicious.

Consistency is what determines whether a lie survives.

Conclusion

Spoiler

Understanding deception makes it easier to recognize when someone is manipulating a conversation.

Most lies fail because people:
- add too many details
- act unnaturally
- tell the lie to too many people

The most believable lies are simple, realistic and consistent.

In many cases, deception does not rely on saying something completely false, but on hiding information, redirecting questions or presenting truthful statements in a misleading way.

This is why techniques such as paltering and omission are often more effective than direct lies.

Spoiler: References

General research on lying & deception:
Ekman, P. Telling Lies: Clues to Deceit in the Marketplace, Politics, and Marriage.
Vrij, A. (2008). Detecting Lies and Deceit: Pitfalls and Opportunities.
Levine, T. R. (2018). “Scientific evidence and cue theories in deception research.” https://ijoc.org/index.php/ijoc/article/viewFile/7838/2374
Vrij, A. (2022). “Verbal Lie Detection: Past, Present and Future.” https://www.mdpi.com/2076-3425/12/12/1644
Paltering
Rogers, T., Zeckhauser, R., Gino, F., Norton, M., & Schweitzer, M. (2017).
Harvard Business School working paper on paltering. https://www.hbs.edu/ris/Publication Files/rogers zeckhauser gino norton schweitzer_33bcc35b-1eeb-45d4-ba24-908c660172c9.pdf
APA report on paltering research. https://www.apa.org/news/press/releases/2016/12/true-lies
Omission vs Comision
Rogers et al. studies comparing lying by omission, commission, and paltering. https://www.williamjames.edu/news/study-lying-with-the-truth-is-risky.html
Research on deception types in social interactions. https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/10.1086/733780
Behavioral signs of lying
Vrij, A. (2000, 2008). Research on behavioral cues and deception detection. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7767987/
Studies on speech and behavioral cues to deception. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6634475/
Lie detection research
Mann, S., Vrij, A., & Bull, R. (2004). “Detecting true lies: Police officers’ ability to detect suspects’ lies.” https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/spycatcher/201203/the-truth-about-lie-detection
Granhag, P. A., & Strömwall, L. A. (2004). The Detection of Deception in Forensic Contexts. https://www.cambridge.org/core/book...-and-present/D424686B9D1BC0BC8C27E587B44A8225
Evolution and psychology of lying
American Scientist article on the origins of deception in human behavior. https://www.americanscientist.org/article/the-origins-of-lying-and-deception-in-everyday-life
I used GPT to correct and organize all the information in an orderly fashion.

Best trick is to pair the lie with one of your flaws “i didn’t steal the dildo from the top drawer am too short too reach it” always works

 

[realhmtn]

Best trick is to pair the lie with one of your flaws “i didn’t steal the dildo from the top drawer am too short too reach it” always works

Yes! It's called a preemtive excuse. You add something awkward/shameful about yourself to make a lie sound more believable.

People don't like to critise themselves so this works very well.

 

[realhmtn]

bump

 

[ogre]

A good method i do is whenever I need to lie about something that dosent mater I make it sound very unbelievable so then folk think im bad at lying