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Pinning 101 basics - how to properly pin
By: Includings
WATER INCOMING
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Hello bhais, pinning can be scary. Especially big thick needles going inside you that hurt owieeee.
I remember always shitting my pants everytime going to the doctor as a kid. Now years later I stick needles inside of my face at home like a badass 
and inject substances into my body daily like a true druggie. In this thread Iโll hopefully be able to introduce and show you that pinning is not scary so long your SAFE and have a proper protocol
Thereโs a few things to understand before the syringe/needle even touches your hand
What you are injecting
Understanding subcutaneous and intramuscular
Preparation and needle
Injection sites
Aftercare (PIP)Bonus
____________________________________________________________________
IM VS SUBQ
Now why does this matter for your injectables?
Pros and cons of both
Reference as to when you would choose which
Preparation and needle
Injection SITES
____________________________________________________________________
Now knowing all this what would be the ideal injection in sequence order.
Have clean hands with gloves on
Leave the vial in warm water (oil based)
Using alcohol swab, disinfect the injection site and top of the vial.
Uncap the drawing need and stick into the middle of the rubber stopper.
Flip upside down the vial once the needle is in and slowly draw back the plunger.
Switch out the drawing needle for the thinner injection needle once ideal dose drawn
pin point the injection spot an prepare to stab
Z track method if IM or LSF injection for subq
Enter the injection slowly at 1 ML per 10 seconds. Take the needle out same way you injected gently but swift
Get a warm towel and massage the injection site to avoid PIP
Take a nice warm shower to top it off
____________________________________________________________________
Thatโll wrap it up. I hope after reading this thread youโll be confident to your first pin and hopefully or hopefully not many more. Enjoy and have a good rest of yโallโs days bhais!
By: Includings
WATER INCOMING
____________________________________________________________________
Hello bhais, pinning can be scary. Especially big thick needles going inside you that hurt owieeee.
I remember always shitting my pants everytime going to the doctor as a kid. Now years later I stick needles inside of my face at home like a badass and inject substances into my body daily like a true druggie. In this thread Iโll hopefully be able to introduce and show you that pinning is not scary so long your SAFE and have a proper protocol Thereโs a few things to understand before the syringe/needle even touches your hand
What you are injecting
Understanding subcutaneous and intramuscular
Preparation and needle
Injection sites
Aftercare (PIP)Bonus
____________________________________________________________________
IM VS SUBQ
First and foremost understanding what is entering your body, not all injectables are the same with a good example being peptides and steroids. Peptides are amino acids that are constituted in BAC water. can be injected subcutaneously using 5/16 inch needles, try that with your 500mg test brewed in oil from a 250 mg/ml vial your going to get a big lump of oil on the skin and PIP. 
Secondly beyond the fact that the viscosity of whatโs being injected matters whatโs the difference between subcutaneous and intramuscular and why does it matter?
Please consult the grafts if you will.
As you can see intramuscular is when the needle is inserted in a 90 degrees angle passing the fat barrier into the muscle. While subcutaneous desired to be injected into the fat at a 45 degree angle.
Secondly beyond the fact that the viscosity of whatโs being injected matters whatโs the difference between subcutaneous and intramuscular and why does it matter?
Please consult the grafts if you will.
As you can see intramuscular is when the needle is inserted in a 90 degrees angle passing the fat barrier into the muscle. While subcutaneous desired to be injected into the fat at a 45 degree angle.
Now why does this matter for your injectables?
Intramuscular contains much more blood vessels and allows for quicker and better absorption into the blood stream.
It is ideal when dealing with thicker oils and large doses. While subcutaneous is injected for smaller doses and thinner injectables, the subcutaneous allows for slower gradual absorption compared to intramuscular.
Nice tip to figure out which could be best it is recommended to not inject more than .5-.7 ml of liquid subq.
It is ideal when dealing with thicker oils and large doses. While subcutaneous is injected for smaller doses and thinner injectables, the subcutaneous allows for slower gradual absorption compared to intramuscular.
Nice tip to figure out which could be best it is recommended to not inject more than .5-.7 ml of liquid subq.
Pros and cons of both
IM Pros
Cons
Subq Pros
Cons
Quicker absorption | No oil build up |
Allows for larger injection doses | Allows for thick injectables easier absorption |
Cons
Typically requires larger needles | Can be more painful |
Scar tissue build up via large needles and same inj site | Can puncture a vein/bleeding |
Subq Pros
Smaller needles required | Less painful and less scar tissue |
More consistent serum levels due to prolonged release | Convenient |
Cons
Can only handle small/thin doses | Can cause lumps on the skin |
Depending on compound takes longer to release into body (can be a pro) | Less of a man (just needed to fill this fourth box jfl) |
Reference as to when you would choose which
IM
Oil based AAS
Doses above .7 mL/cc
Medications
Vaccines
Vitamin shots
Subq
Water based solutions
Peptides
Insulin
Low TRT doses
Low dose injections
Now neither one is better than the other and both have important uses depending on how often you choose to inject and volume. The same benefits of subq can be replicated by splitting dosing daily with IM or wanting to avoid scar tissue and pinning soreness can also be achieved just by subq. Itโs up to you.
Oil based AAS
Doses above .7 mL/cc
Medications
Vaccines
Vitamin shots
Subq
Water based solutions
Peptides
Insulin
Low TRT doses
Low dose injections
Now neither one is better than the other and both have important uses depending on how often you choose to inject and volume. The same benefits of subq can be replicated by splitting dosing daily with IM or wanting to avoid scar tissue and pinning soreness can also be achieved just by subq. Itโs up to you.
Preparation and needle
Now as to whether deciding sub q or IM, understanding preparation and needles being used matter.
Things needed on hand firstly
The injectable
Desired needle
Alcohol swabs
Nice warm towel
Sterile environment
Of course the injectable matters fore most. And how much is being pinned.
Iโll cover understanding how much to pin using both peptides and steroids.
For peptides I personally use a peptide calculator
you can use literally any calculator online or even do the math at home I just use this one for convenience.
You enter how many units the syringe is, how much of the powder is in the peptide, the amount of BAC water used, and desired dosage. Itโll show how many units needed to draw back and inject. A monkey can use this app.
However if you are unable to use the AppStore or an android/pc only cel Iโll go over a simple formula that can be used covering if the dosing is either mcg or mg.
For dosing youโll want to see how much of the peptide is in the vial preconstitution and amount of bac water thatโll be used, for ex.
10 mg of (x) reconstituted in 1 ml of BAC water. Desired dosage being 1mg for the injection. Using a 100 unit syringe.
10 mg of (x) divided by 1 ml = 10 units draw back for 1 mg or 1000 mcg.
Pretty simple
Now as for steroids, understanding the difference between cc which is the oil and then the actual dose inside of the oil is important. 30 units of 200 mg/ml of test is not the same as 30 units of 500 mg/ml of test. One carries much more potency within the ml. For example.
If wanting to pin 100 mg of test. From a 200 mg/ml vial. Assuming the syringe is 100 unit/1 ml. Youโll divide 100mgs by 200 mg/ml and get around 50 units. So half of the syringe.
100 mgs of test / 200 mg/ml vial = .5 cc/50units. Simple eh? Iโll make it even simpler doing a calendar + split dosing. If you already understand this you can skip over.
Cycle: 100 mgs of test, twice a week. Using a 200 mg/ml vial
Now understanding this, depending on whether doing an intramuscular injection or subcutaneous you must understand the needles for this.
For intramuscular
2 needles will be ideal (2 twistable needle caps 1 syringe) Assuming of course youโll be using oil for intramuscular the liquid is much thicker, so a thicker needle is recommended.
Use 27-29 gauge 1/2 inch - 5/8 needle for the injection, when drawing use 22-25. Never go too thick with the drawing needle otherwise you could puncture the top of your vial and cause plastic/debris to enter the oil.
For subcutaneous
a smaller needle is all thatโs necessary,
I recommend a 31 gauge 5/16 inch needle. (Donโt tell anyone but I do use the same needle for subq)
(mind you the more body fat percentage you carry the longer needles thatโll be required, so put down the fork if u fear monger long needles.)
Now once the ideal dosage is drawn now we can enter the real fun.
Things needed on hand firstly
The injectable
Desired needle
Alcohol swabs
Nice warm towel
Sterile environment
Of course the injectable matters fore most. And how much is being pinned.
Iโll cover understanding how much to pin using both peptides and steroids.
For peptides I personally use a peptide calculator
you can use literally any calculator online or even do the math at home I just use this one for convenience.
You enter how many units the syringe is, how much of the powder is in the peptide, the amount of BAC water used, and desired dosage. Itโll show how many units needed to draw back and inject. A monkey can use this app.
However if you are unable to use the AppStore or an android/pc only cel Iโll go over a simple formula that can be used covering if the dosing is either mcg or mg.
For dosing youโll want to see how much of the peptide is in the vial preconstitution and amount of bac water thatโll be used, for ex.
10 mg of (x) reconstituted in 1 ml of BAC water. Desired dosage being 1mg for the injection. Using a 100 unit syringe.
10 mg of (x) divided by 1 ml = 10 units draw back for 1 mg or 1000 mcg.
Pretty simple
Now as for steroids, understanding the difference between cc which is the oil and then the actual dose inside of the oil is important. 30 units of 200 mg/ml of test is not the same as 30 units of 500 mg/ml of test. One carries much more potency within the ml. For example.
If wanting to pin 100 mg of test. From a 200 mg/ml vial. Assuming the syringe is 100 unit/1 ml. Youโll divide 100mgs by 200 mg/ml and get around 50 units. So half of the syringe.
100 mgs of test / 200 mg/ml vial = .5 cc/50units. Simple eh? Iโll make it even simpler doing a calendar + split dosing. If you already understand this you can skip over.
Cycle: 100 mgs of test, twice a week. Using a 200 mg/ml vial
Monday, 25 units (50 mg) | Tuesday n/a |
Wednesday n/a | Thursday, 25 units (50mg) |
Friday n/a | Saturday n/a |
Sunday n/a | 50 units/100mg in total for the week. And repeat  |
Now understanding this, depending on whether doing an intramuscular injection or subcutaneous you must understand the needles for this.
For intramuscular
2 needles will be ideal (2 twistable needle caps 1 syringe) Assuming of course youโll be using oil for intramuscular the liquid is much thicker, so a thicker needle is recommended.
Use 27-29 gauge 1/2 inch - 5/8 needle for the injection, when drawing use 22-25. Never go too thick with the drawing needle otherwise you could puncture the top of your vial and cause plastic/debris to enter the oil.
For subcutaneous
a smaller needle is all thatโs necessary,
I recommend a 31 gauge 5/16 inch needle. (Donโt tell anyone but I do use the same needle for subq)
(mind you the more body fat percentage you carry the longer needles thatโll be required, so put down the fork if u fear monger long needles.)
Now once the ideal dosage is drawn now we can enter the real fun.
Injection SITES
INTRAMUSCULAR SITES
There is no particular BEST IM site as you have essentially your whole body to use however youโll preferably want spots carrying the most muscle mass (more muscle = better site), least amount of fat, and least veins. It is good to also rotate sites to reduce scar tissue and allow muscle rest. (Much needed if first time pinning AAS, you will get soreness the first few times) Here are some of the most common sites being
The side deltoid
The ventraglute
The Quads (2 in 1)
The lats
Bonus sites that can be experimented with
Quick tip
before we move on. When injecting intramuscular you always want to be as ease, avoid tensing the muscle as thatโll bring blood to the area and allow for veins to protrude. With that in mind the actual chance of nicking and pinning the same vein is very unlikely and very low risk at that. A common practice to avoid this is
Apsirating
what is it and how itโs used. Aspirating is the practice of pulling back on the syringe plunge to be on the lookout if hitting a vein. If blood enters the syringe that means youโve encountered one and itโs best to relocate. While in theory a good protocol does it still hold up?
โaspiration cannot be relied on and should not be employed as a safety measure. It is safer to adopt injection techniques that avoid injecting an intravascular volume with embolic potential than utilize an unreliable test to permit a risky injection.โ
Of course you want to avoid veins however donโt fear monger that youโll die from coming into contact of one.
Now for Subcutaneously
Subcutaneously is much less nuanced then intramuscular as the whole body is fair since the fat lays above most veins and above the actual musculature. The same logic will however apply to this one instead with fat, the more fat in the area the overall better.
All of these sites will be safe game and thereโs no worry of hitting anything else besides the fat so long you use the correct syringes and not injecting your ass with a 10 gauge 1.5 inch harpoon. Now thereโs a particular technique to ensure pure subq shot and is overall recommended.
The lifted skinfold technique
youโll get 2 fingers to pinch/fold the skin upwards creating a bunch of fat to use for injecting.
Preventing and treating PIP (post injection pain)
If you are experiencing PIP, there is a chance your brewer is giving you cat piss, allergic to the oil used or just unfortunate pinโฆ happens to the best of us. Now regardless of the reason whether WWBโs cat piss or soreness from first time pin here are some methods to prevent future PIP and how to deal with it.
The Z track method and injecting 1 cc/ml per 10 seconds.
The second being much more self explanatory, however what is the Z track method?
Proven to work and even used by medical clinics and in studies. The Z track method is using one hand to pull on the skin away from the injection site to stretch the tissue and allow for better insertion of both the needle and injectable.
And when releasing it the tissue being pulled it directly lays back on top of the injection site allowing for a nice clean injection without leaving any leakage into the dermis or other layers.
Warming up the oil before drawing and injecting allowing for smoother drawing and smoother injection. Typically recommended to warm around internal body temperature for allowing easy absorption
โwarming the local anesthesia solution to body temperature (37โ) before administration seemed to reduce the discomfort during intraoral local anaesthesia administration, and more high-quality studies should be carried out to validate the same.โ
I understand anesthesia and injectable steroids are different, still a cool protocol often regarded to work. Gently massaging the area and compressing with a warm towel/caring with a warm bath afterwards are all great methods of reducing PIP.
If you are still experiencing PIP following all thisโฆ your injecting urine into the blood stream and need a new source.
There is no particular BEST IM site as you have essentially your whole body to use however youโll preferably want spots carrying the most muscle mass (more muscle = better site), least amount of fat, and least veins. It is good to also rotate sites to reduce scar tissue and allow muscle rest. (Much needed if first time pinning AAS, you will get soreness the first few times) Here are some of the most common sites being
The side deltoid
Possibly the most common and favorited injection site, itโs easy to view, not a hindrance and quite simple. Can handle moderate amounts of oil, allows for room of error and great overall if you have meaty delts
The ventraglute
Glutes overall are a large muscle group unless u have a frogbuttโฆ there will be very little veins here, can handle larger doses and if scar tissue does buildup a good site to hide it. Only down side is it can be tricky to perform especially first time. It is recommended to be laying down on your side as if standing youโll be much more tense and shakey.
The Quads (2 in 1)
The quads are another great spot as they contain much more mass and volume compared upper body muscles. One thing to be careful will be nicking a vein. Veins are much more prevalent in this site so make sure to absolutely not be tense and completely relaxed for this one.
The lats
This site right here is going to be amazing if you are a back dominant person. Can be a bit harder to reach however lats are a huge muscle especially when developed so itโll be able to handle plenty of oil while also having the convenience of being upper body.
Not too many veins here either which allows for bigger room of error. This one is much more โgymbroโ however itโs heavily backed. Right under the armpit and in between the beginning of your insertion from the ribcage will be ideal.
Not too many veins here either which allows for bigger room of error. This one is much more โgymbroโ however itโs heavily backed. Right under the armpit and in between the beginning of your insertion from the ribcage will be ideal.
Bonus sites that can be experimented with
The pecs (whole pec is regarded fair game)
The rear delts (whole delt regarded safe game
triceps (long head is much larger than the lateral head so Iโd recommend as more meat there).
All great sites if they are developed and often preferred than the aforementioned sites for others. Unfortunately these sites are not much researched and often self experimented. Despite that they are all regarded as safe. 1 being most safe 3 being โleastโ
The rear delts (whole delt regarded safe game
triceps (long head is much larger than the lateral head so Iโd recommend as more meat there).
All great sites if they are developed and often preferred than the aforementioned sites for others. Unfortunately these sites are not much researched and often self experimented. Despite that they are all regarded as safe. 1 being most safe 3 being โleastโ
Quick tip
before we move on. When injecting intramuscular you always want to be as ease, avoid tensing the muscle as thatโll bring blood to the area and allow for veins to protrude. With that in mind the actual chance of nicking and pinning the same vein is very unlikely and very low risk at that. A common practice to avoid this is
Apsirating
what is it and how itโs used. Aspirating is the practice of pulling back on the syringe plunge to be on the lookout if hitting a vein. If blood enters the syringe that means youโve encountered one and itโs best to relocate. While in theory a good protocol does it still hold up?
โaspiration cannot be relied on and should not be employed as a safety measure. It is safer to adopt injection techniques that avoid injecting an intravascular volume with embolic potential than utilize an unreliable test to permit a risky injection.โ
Of course you want to avoid veins however donโt fear monger that youโll die from coming into contact of one.
Now for Subcutaneously
Subcutaneously is much less nuanced then intramuscular as the whole body is fair since the fat lays above most veins and above the actual musculature. The same logic will however apply to this one instead with fat, the more fat in the area the overall better.
All of these sites will be safe game and thereโs no worry of hitting anything else besides the fat so long you use the correct syringes and not injecting your ass with a 10 gauge 1.5 inch harpoon. Now thereโs a particular technique to ensure pure subq shot and is overall recommended.
The lifted skinfold technique
youโll get 2 fingers to pinch/fold the skin upwards creating a bunch of fat to use for injecting.
Preventing and treating PIP (post injection pain)
If you are experiencing PIP, there is a chance your brewer is giving you cat piss, allergic to the oil used or just unfortunate pinโฆ happens to the best of us. Now regardless of the reason whether WWBโs cat piss or soreness from first time pin here are some methods to prevent future PIP and how to deal with it.
The Z track method and injecting 1 cc/ml per 10 seconds.
The second being much more self explanatory, however what is the Z track method?
Proven to work and even used by medical clinics and in studies. The Z track method is using one hand to pull on the skin away from the injection site to stretch the tissue and allow for better insertion of both the needle and injectable.
And when releasing it the tissue being pulled it directly lays back on top of the injection site allowing for a nice clean injection without leaving any leakage into the dermis or other layers.
Warming up the oil before drawing and injecting allowing for smoother drawing and smoother injection. Typically recommended to warm around internal body temperature for allowing easy absorption
โwarming the local anesthesia solution to body temperature (37โ) before administration seemed to reduce the discomfort during intraoral local anaesthesia administration, and more high-quality studies should be carried out to validate the same.โ
I understand anesthesia and injectable steroids are different, still a cool protocol often regarded to work. Gently massaging the area and compressing with a warm towel/caring with a warm bath afterwards are all great methods of reducing PIP.
If you are still experiencing PIP following all thisโฆ your injecting urine into the blood stream and need a new source.
Now knowing all this what would be the ideal injection in sequence order.
Have clean hands with gloves on
Leave the vial in warm water (oil based)
Using alcohol swab, disinfect the injection site and top of the vial.
Uncap the drawing need and stick into the middle of the rubber stopper.
Flip upside down the vial once the needle is in and slowly draw back the plunger.
Switch out the drawing needle for the thinner injection needle once ideal dose drawn
pin point the injection spot an prepare to stab
Z track method if IM or LSF injection for subq
Enter the injection slowly at 1 ML per 10 seconds. Take the needle out same way you injected gently but swift
Get a warm towel and massage the injection site to avoid PIP
Take a nice warm shower to top it off
____________________________________________________________________
Thatโll wrap it up. I hope after reading this thread youโll be confident to your first pin and hopefully or hopefully not many more. Enjoy and have a good rest of yโallโs days bhais!
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