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Looksmax PEPTIDE THAT GROWS FACIAL BONES (HIGH IQ USERS GTFIH)
Hello gg, welcome to my first thread. Please dont mind me being grey, i have shifted from org very recently, enjoy reading!
For over a year now, I have been looking for a way to grow my facial bones, lurking on org, buying and reading medical books about biochemistry and anatomy, but never found a way to stimulate meaningful effects without hardmaxing or orthodontics. I had seen enough of all the “just use hgh” on org with no evidence whatsoever, and decided to dive deeper in it one last time.
Consequently, a week or two ago, I was doing some research with Grok (the best ai to looksmax)
I was doing research about growth plate maturity ages for some important growth plates, when grok suddenly said something that stuck out to me.
PTH analogs (e.g., teriparatide, abaloparatide): These are potent osteoanabolic agents that increase bone formation and density more dramatically than GH in some osteoporosis models.

I had to read that again.
A peptide that increases bone formation and density more dramatically than GH?
I couldn’t believe my eyes, so i immediately had to hook back on that. I asked grok to cite me the studies that have studied this peptide immediately, and sure it was, as clear as light, definitive proof that these peptides, can actually increase bone formation and density. I immediately went on org to see if any of the PTH analogues that have been studied where mentioned, but there were no thorough articles ever written there about them, and here on .gg, i couldnt find a single post about them.
I figured that this could be my chance to bless the looksmaxing community, so tune in for some High Iq article by me.

What is the PTH?
Parathyroid hormone (PTH) is a hormone made by the parathyroid glands in the neck. It helps control calcium levels in the blood by increasing calcium release from bones, improving calcium absorption in the intestines, and reducing calcium loss in urine. When PTH is given in short and controlled pulses, it becomes osteoanabolic. If given in too high doses it tends to break down bones, so dosing is important.

IMG_0767.png

How is it osteoanabolic (or How does it build bones?)
PTH binds to PTH1 receptors on osteoblasts and osteocytes, which promotes osteoblast differentiation, increases osteoblast lifespan, enhances Collagen type 1 and bone matric production.
It also reduces sclerostin, which removed inhibition of the Wnt signaling pathway, which consequently results in strong stimulation of bone formation.
IMG_0769.jpeg

What are PTH analogues?
PTH analogues are synthetic versions of parathyroid hormone or its fragments designed to replicate its biological actions in the body. They work primarily by stimulating osteoblasts, which are the cells responsible for building new bone tissue. This leads to increased bone formation and improved bone density, making them valuable treatments for severe osteoporosis, especially in postmenopausal women and individuals at high risk of fractures. Unlike some other osteoporosis drugs that only slow bone loss, these analogues actively promote bone growth when used in short courses. Common examples include teriparatide and abaloparatide, which are administered by daily injection.
Now that we should have cleared up most questions, I am going to continue to examples of Working PTH Analogues.
The most famous one is probably Abaloparatide.
Abaloparatide is a synthetic peptide analogue of parathyroid hormone-related protein (PTHrP) that selectively activates the parathyroid hormone type 1 receptor (PTH1R) in a way that favors bone formation. It is primarily used to treat osteoporosis in postmenopausal women and men at high risk of fractures by stimulating osteoblast activity, which increases bone mineral density and bone strength. Administered as a daily subcutaneous injection, it promotes new bone growth more than resorption when used in short treatment courses, typically up to two years. Clinical studies show it effectively reduces the risk of vertebral and non-vertebral fractures.
Abaloparatide has been shown in actual studies to increase actual bone density. They used it on Rats in a lab and came to the result:
The cartilaginous tissue progressively thickened and was manually removed for histologic evaluation.

IMG_0770.jpeg

This Study proved that Abaloparatide significantly enhances the formation of new cartilage.
Now onto the second Drug:Pro-Pro-[Arg(11)]hPTH(1-34)-Pro-Pro-Asp (hPTH')
(Hell of a name isnt it)
Pro-Pro-[Arg(11)]hPTH(1-34)-Pro-Pro-Asp, also known as hPTH', is a synthetic, genetically engineered version of human parathyroid hormone designed to treat osteoporosis.
Natural parathyroid hormone regulates calcium and bone growth, and scientists previously discovered that only the first 34 amino acids of the molecule are needed to effectively stimulate bone formation. To create hPTH', researchers modified this essential segment by replacing the eleventh amino acid with arginine. They also added protective chemical "caps" made of proline and aspartic acid to both ends of the chain.
These structural modifications allow the drug to be mass-produced efficiently in laboratory bacteria without being broken down by destructive cellular enzymes. Once injected into the body, natural enzymes clip off the protective caps to release the active medication. Medical studies show that this specific formulation is highly effective, leading to significant increases in bone mineral density and stronger overall bone structure compared to standard hormone treatments.
This Drug is significantly more effective than Abaloparatide.
Both of these Drugs and most other PTH Analogues are usually injected subcutaneously.

But now lets get to the best part: How do they Grow facial bones?
Researchers treated adolescent rats with two bone-building drugs, teriparatide and abaloparatide, while using a specialized splint to pull the lower jaw forward. They then examined how these medications affected jaw cartilage and bone growth over a four-week period. They injected the rats with the drugs into their TMJs.
The results showed that both drugs successfully stimulated jaw growth, but their specific impact depended on the location. While the medications increased cartilage thickness in the jaw joint when used alone, combining them with the physical splint actually reduced cartilage growth at that specific site. However, at other areas of the jaw, the drugs worked together with the physical stretching to significantly increase both jaw length and bone width, proving that these treatments enhance skeletal growth by responding to mechanical pressure.
And now the best Part: Their Ramuses grew taller and when they paired the drugs with the physical splint, even the length of the mandibled increased.
This is huge news for boneless chickens like many of us sitting on these forums.
I am not advising or condoning the use of research drugs under any circumstances, talk to your doctor to get informed for risks.
If these drugs were to be taken, a drug like Hydrochlorothiazide would be recommended due to the increased kidney stone risk.

I hope that i could give some of yall hope, and spread the word!
 

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Hello gg, welcome to my first thread. Please dont mind me being grey, i have shifted from org very recently, enjoy reading!
For over a year now, I have been looking for a way to grow my facial bones, lurking on org, buying and reading medical books about biochemistry and anatomy, but never found a way to stimulate meaningful effects without hardmaxing or orthodontics. I had seen enough of all the “just use hgh” on org with no evidence whatsoever, and decided to dive deeper in it one last time.
Consequently, a week or two ago, I was doing some research with Grok (the best ai to looksmax)
I was doing research about growth plate maturity ages for some important growth plates, when grok suddenly said something that stuck out to me.


I had to read that again.
A peptide that increases bone formation and density more dramatically than GH?
I couldn’t believe my eyes, so i immediately had to hook back on that. I asked grok to cite me the studies that have studied this peptide immediately, and sure it was, as clear as light, definitive proof that these peptides, can actually increase bone formation and density. I immediately went on org to see if any of the PTH analogues that have been studied where mentioned, but there were no thorough articles ever written there about them, and here on .gg, i couldnt find a single post about them.
I figured that this could be my chance to bless the looksmaxing community, so tune in for some High Iq article by me.

What is the PTH?
Parathyroid hormone (PTH) is a hormone made by the parathyroid glands in the neck. It helps control calcium levels in the blood by increasing calcium release from bones, improving calcium absorption in the intestines, and reducing calcium loss in urine. When PTH is given in short and controlled pulses, it becomes osteoanabolic. If given in too high doses it tends to break down bones, so dosing is important.

View attachment 49244

How is it osteoanabolic (or How does it build bones?)
PTH binds to PTH1 receptors on osteoblasts and osteocytes, which promotes osteoblast differentiation, increases osteoblast lifespan, enhances Collagen type 1 and bone matric production.
It also reduces sclerostin, which removed inhibition of the Wnt signaling pathway, which consequently results in strong stimulation of bone formation.
View attachment 49246

What are PTH analogues?
PTH analogues are synthetic versions of parathyroid hormone or its fragments designed to replicate its biological actions in the body. They work primarily by stimulating osteoblasts, which are the cells responsible for building new bone tissue. This leads to increased bone formation and improved bone density, making them valuable treatments for severe osteoporosis, especially in postmenopausal women and individuals at high risk of fractures. Unlike some other osteoporosis drugs that only slow bone loss, these analogues actively promote bone growth when used in short courses. Common examples include teriparatide and abaloparatide, which are administered by daily injection.
Now that we should have cleared up most questions, I am going to continue to examples of Working PTH Analogues.
The most famous one is probably Abaloparatide.
Abaloparatide is a synthetic peptide analogue of parathyroid hormone-related protein (PTHrP) that selectively activates the parathyroid hormone type 1 receptor (PTH1R) in a way that favors bone formation. It is primarily used to treat osteoporosis in postmenopausal women and men at high risk of fractures by stimulating osteoblast activity, which increases bone mineral density and bone strength. Administered as a daily subcutaneous injection, it promotes new bone growth more than resorption when used in short treatment courses, typically up to two years. Clinical studies show it effectively reduces the risk of vertebral and non-vertebral fractures.
Abaloparatide has been shown in actual studies to increase actual bone density. They used it on Rats in a lab and came to the result:


View attachment 49248
This Study proved that Abaloparatide significantly enhances the formation of new cartilage.
Now onto the second Drug:Pro-Pro-[Arg(11)]hPTH(1-34)-Pro-Pro-Asp (hPTH')
(Hell of a name isnt it)
Pro-Pro-[Arg(11)]hPTH(1-34)-Pro-Pro-Asp, also known as hPTH', is a synthetic, genetically engineered version of human parathyroid hormone designed to treat osteoporosis.
Natural parathyroid hormone regulates calcium and bone growth, and scientists previously discovered that only the first 34 amino acids of the molecule are needed to effectively stimulate bone formation. To create hPTH', researchers modified this essential segment by replacing the eleventh amino acid with arginine. They also added protective chemical "caps" made of proline and aspartic acid to both ends of the chain.
These structural modifications allow the drug to be mass-produced efficiently in laboratory bacteria without being broken down by destructive cellular enzymes. Once injected into the body, natural enzymes clip off the protective caps to release the active medication. Medical studies show that this specific formulation is highly effective, leading to significant increases in bone mineral density and stronger overall bone structure compared to standard hormone treatments.
This Drug is significantly more effective than Abaloparatide.
Both of these Drugs and most other PTH Analogues are usually injected subcutaneously.

But now lets get to the best part: How do they Grow facial bones?
Researchers treated adolescent rats with two bone-building drugs, teriparatide and abaloparatide, while using a specialized splint to pull the lower jaw forward. They then examined how these medications affected jaw cartilage and bone growth over a four-week period. They injected the rats with the drugs into their TMJs.
The results showed that both drugs successfully stimulated jaw growth, but their specific impact depended on the location. While the medications increased cartilage thickness in the jaw joint when used alone, combining them with the physical splint actually reduced cartilage growth at that specific site. However, at other areas of the jaw, the drugs worked together with the physical stretching to significantly increase both jaw length and bone width, proving that these treatments enhance skeletal growth by responding to mechanical pressure.
And now the best Part: Their Ramuses grew taller and when they paired the drugs with the physical splint, even the length of the mandibled increased.
This is huge news for boneless chickens like many of us sitting on these forums.
I am not advising or condoning the use of research drugs under any circumstances, talk to your doctor to get informed for risks.
If these drugs were to be taken, a drug like Hydrochlorothiazide would be recommended due to the increased kidney stone risk.

I hope that i could give some of yall hope, and spread the word!
water dnr
 

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Rat growth plates never ossify, and none of this would work anyways without distraction osteogenesis or an orthodontic appliance.


The changes you might see are only BMD related, which does not affect the exterior appearance of the bones, just how thick they are, it's not gonna give you crazy angularity or hunter eyes or anything like that, matter fact a more relevant compound for driving periosteal apposition and cortical expansion (which drives bone width) would be a circulating hormone like testosterone because the signal reaches the periosteum broadly and deeply.

Not the worst thread but you extrapolated some of the information without taking important stuff into account, specially this:

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Facial growth plates close way way quicker than other bones. Matter fact i know multiple guys who've done Denosumab and a vast variety of other compounds including PTH analogs and didn't experience 1 single noticeable facial change, PTH analogs are more relevant for things like height increase from a mechanism standpoint
 

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Rat growth plates never ossify, and none of this would work anyways without distraction osteogenesis or an orthodontic appliance.


The changes you might see are only BMD related, which does not affect the exterior appearance of the bones, just how thick they are, it's not gonna give you crazy angularity or hunter eyes or anything like that, matter fact a more relevant compound for driving periosteal apposition and cortical expansion (which drive bone width) would be a circulating hormone like testosterone because the signal reaches the periosteum broadly and deeply.

Not the worst thread but you extrapolated some of the information without taking important stuff into account, specially this:

View attachment 49251

Facial growth plates close way way quicker than other bones.
You are right on the fact that rat growth plates never ossify, i shouldve cleared that up, and also that they wont give some stuff like hunter eyes (i didnt claim that tho) where I disagree is 1.
intermittent PTH does stimulate periosteal apposition and can increase cortical bone width/thickness in various models (including some human data on cortical width). It’s not just BMD (density) it affects geometry too, though modestly in adults. Preclinical and some clinical evidence shows effects on craniofacial bones, like jaw bone regrowth in certain conditions (e.g., periodontitis-related defects).
2. Significant mandibular growth typicallt expands till 18 years, albeit most growth happens during 13-15.
Here is my source for this comment:https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3179307/
 

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PTH analogs are more relevant for things like height increase from a mechanism standpoint
I want to make a separate thread on that in the future because its too much content and i doubt people will read that much.
 

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You are right on the fact that rat growth plates never ossify, i shouldve cleared that up, and also that they wont give some stuff like hunter eyes (i didnt claim that tho) where I disagree is 1.
intermittent PTH does stimulate periosteal apposition and can increase cortical bone width/thickness in various models (including some human data on cortical width). It’s not just BMD (density) it affects geometry too, though modestly in adults. Preclinical and some clinical evidence shows effects on craniofacial bones, like jaw bone regrowth in certain conditions (e.g., periodontitis-related defects).
2. Significant mandibular growth typicallt expands till 18 years, albeit most growth happens during 13-15.
Here is my source for this comment:https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3179307/
you're coping hard jfl, the whole study you sent was actually performed on animals with a overexpressing constitutive active PTH receptors specifically in osteocytes, so it doesn't apply to real human biology, yes intermittent PTH can stimulate some periosteal apposition and small changes, however, this is mostly observed in long bones and in osteoporosis patients, again, you're extrapolating case specific info that doesn't apply to the vast majority of the population, again, the effect is small, inconsistent on the face, and nowhere near enough for visible facial gains or results, the real human data actually shows that the use of PTH works more to heal bone defects (those being periodontitis, MRONJ, post extraction sockets, obviously patients with osteoporosis and so on), so yeah it fills lost bone, it's not gonna expand and change the position and projection of your facial bones like filler or implants, the most important factor in aesthetics it's the bone shape and position not raw size.
 

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Hello gg, welcome to my first thread. Please dont mind me being grey, i have shifted from org very recently, enjoy reading!
For over a year now, I have been looking for a way to grow my facial bones, lurking on org, buying and reading medical books about biochemistry and anatomy, but never found a way to stimulate meaningful effects without hardmaxing or orthodontics. I had seen enough of all the “just use hgh” on org with no evidence whatsoever, and decided to dive deeper in it one last time.
Consequently, a week or two ago, I was doing some research with Grok (the best ai to looksmax)
I was doing research about growth plate maturity ages for some important growth plates, when grok suddenly said something that stuck out to me.


I had to read that again.
A peptide that increases bone formation and density more dramatically than GH?
I couldn’t believe my eyes, so i immediately had to hook back on that. I asked grok to cite me the studies that have studied this peptide immediately, and sure it was, as clear as light, definitive proof that these peptides, can actually increase bone formation and density. I immediately went on org to see if any of the PTH analogues that have been studied where mentioned, but there were no thorough articles ever written there about them, and here on .gg, i couldnt find a single post about them.
I figured that this could be my chance to bless the looksmaxing community, so tune in for some High Iq article by me.

What is the PTH?
Parathyroid hormone (PTH) is a hormone made by the parathyroid glands in the neck. It helps control calcium levels in the blood by increasing calcium release from bones, improving calcium absorption in the intestines, and reducing calcium loss in urine. When PTH is given in short and controlled pulses, it becomes osteoanabolic. If given in too high doses it tends to break down bones, so dosing is important.

View attachment 49244

How is it osteoanabolic (or How does it build bones?)
PTH binds to PTH1 receptors on osteoblasts and osteocytes, which promotes osteoblast differentiation, increases osteoblast lifespan, enhances Collagen type 1 and bone matric production.
It also reduces sclerostin, which removed inhibition of the Wnt signaling pathway, which consequently results in strong stimulation of bone formation.
View attachment 49246

What are PTH analogues?
PTH analogues are synthetic versions of parathyroid hormone or its fragments designed to replicate its biological actions in the body. They work primarily by stimulating osteoblasts, which are the cells responsible for building new bone tissue. This leads to increased bone formation and improved bone density, making them valuable treatments for severe osteoporosis, especially in postmenopausal women and individuals at high risk of fractures. Unlike some other osteoporosis drugs that only slow bone loss, these analogues actively promote bone growth when used in short courses. Common examples include teriparatide and abaloparatide, which are administered by daily injection.
Now that we should have cleared up most questions, I am going to continue to examples of Working PTH Analogues.
The most famous one is probably Abaloparatide.
Abaloparatide is a synthetic peptide analogue of parathyroid hormone-related protein (PTHrP) that selectively activates the parathyroid hormone type 1 receptor (PTH1R) in a way that favors bone formation. It is primarily used to treat osteoporosis in postmenopausal women and men at high risk of fractures by stimulating osteoblast activity, which increases bone mineral density and bone strength. Administered as a daily subcutaneous injection, it promotes new bone growth more than resorption when used in short treatment courses, typically up to two years. Clinical studies show it effectively reduces the risk of vertebral and non-vertebral fractures.
Abaloparatide has been shown in actual studies to increase actual bone density. They used it on Rats in a lab and came to the result:


View attachment 49248
This Study proved that Abaloparatide significantly enhances the formation of new cartilage.
Now onto the second Drug:Pro-Pro-[Arg(11)]hPTH(1-34)-Pro-Pro-Asp (hPTH')
(Hell of a name isnt it)
Pro-Pro-[Arg(11)]hPTH(1-34)-Pro-Pro-Asp, also known as hPTH', is a synthetic, genetically engineered version of human parathyroid hormone designed to treat osteoporosis.
Natural parathyroid hormone regulates calcium and bone growth, and scientists previously discovered that only the first 34 amino acids of the molecule are needed to effectively stimulate bone formation. To create hPTH', researchers modified this essential segment by replacing the eleventh amino acid with arginine. They also added protective chemical "caps" made of proline and aspartic acid to both ends of the chain.
These structural modifications allow the drug to be mass-produced efficiently in laboratory bacteria without being broken down by destructive cellular enzymes. Once injected into the body, natural enzymes clip off the protective caps to release the active medication. Medical studies show that this specific formulation is highly effective, leading to significant increases in bone mineral density and stronger overall bone structure compared to standard hormone treatments.
This Drug is significantly more effective than Abaloparatide.
Both of these Drugs and most other PTH Analogues are usually injected subcutaneously.

But now lets get to the best part: How do they Grow facial bones?
Researchers treated adolescent rats with two bone-building drugs, teriparatide and abaloparatide, while using a specialized splint to pull the lower jaw forward. They then examined how these medications affected jaw cartilage and bone growth over a four-week period. They injected the rats with the drugs into their TMJs.
The results showed that both drugs successfully stimulated jaw growth, but their specific impact depended on the location. While the medications increased cartilage thickness in the jaw joint when used alone, combining them with the physical splint actually reduced cartilage growth at that specific site. However, at other areas of the jaw, the drugs worked together with the physical stretching to significantly increase both jaw length and bone width, proving that these treatments enhance skeletal growth by responding to mechanical pressure.
And now the best Part: Their Ramuses grew taller and when they paired the drugs with the physical splint, even the length of the mandibled increased.
This is huge news for boneless chickens like many of us sitting on these forums.
I am not advising or condoning the use of research drugs under any circumstances, talk to your doctor to get informed for risks.
If these drugs were to be taken, a drug like Hydrochlorothiazide would be recommended due to the increased kidney stone risk.

I hope that i could give some of yall hope, and spread the word!
we are forgetting rats are different from humans dumbass nigger, do you agree D DoorHandle5
 

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People need to stop doing this whole mental gymnastics and just do what works ong.
mostly everything that works has already been proven, like 99 percent
 

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You are right on the fact that rat growth plates never ossify, i shouldve cleared that up, and also that they wont give some stuff like hunter eyes (i didnt claim that tho) where I disagree is 1.
intermittent PTH does stimulate periosteal apposition and can increase cortical bone width/thickness in various models (including some human data on cortical width). It’s not just BMD (density) it affects geometry too, though modestly in adults. Preclinical and some clinical evidence shows effects on craniofacial bones, like jaw bone regrowth in certain conditions (e.g., periodontitis-related defects).
2. Significant mandibular growth typicallt expands till 18 years, albeit most growth happens during 13-15.
Here is my source for this comment:https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3179307/
"jaw regrowth with certain conditions , periodontitis-related defects" :banderas:
"Significant mandibular growth typicallt expands till 18 years, albeit most growth happens during 13-15." :banderas:
 

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People need to stop doing this whole mental gymnastics and just do what works ong.
Nooooo saaaaarrrrr i need to find a dark research chemical that will improve the bmd of a genetically anormal specimen of another specie and make a thread about how it grow bones and larp high iq
 

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For zygos CJC+Ipa mogs bro
 

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"jaw regrowth with certain conditions , periodontitis-related defects" :banderas:
"Significant mandibular growth typicallt expands till 18 years, albeit most growth happens during 13-15." :banderas:
same fallacy as saying "noo saar use GHK CU it makes small differences for collagen but works!" instead of using var, tazarotene and isotret, none of that is fixing a recessed skeletal pattern or changing facial angularity cause those are bone shape and position issues, PTH analogs are not gonna give you the effects of surgery at all.
 

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you're coping hard jfl, the whole study you sent was actually performed on animals with a overexpressing constitutive active PTH receptors specifically in osteocytes, so it doesn't apply to real human biology, yes intermittent PTH can stimulate some periosteal apposition and small changes, however, this is mostly observed in long bones and in osteoporosis patients, again, extrapolating case specific info that don't apply to the vast majority of the population, again, the effect is small, inconsistent on the face, and nowhere near enough for visible facial gains or results, the real human data actually shows that the use of PTH works more to heal bone defects (those being periodontitis, MRONJ, post extraction sockets, obviously patients with osteoporosis and so on), so yeah it fills lost bone, it's not gonna expand and change the position and projection of your facial bones like filler or implants, the most important factor in aesthetics it's the bone shape and position not raw size.
You are right here. It was performed on animals with overexpressing PTH receptors. Where you are still not right tho is the fact that we have clear evidence that intermittent PTH does stimulate periosteal apposition and can increase cortical bone width. It may not be as strong as fillers or surgery, but i never promised that. Rat studies may not be always applicable, but we have limited human studies with adolescents (for good reason lol) on this topic, however, there have been studies on men with osteoporosis, showing clear BMD gains at the spine (5.9–9.0%) and femoral neck (1.5–2.9%) in men with osteoporosis.
clear BMD gains at the spine (5.9–9.0%) and femoral neck (1.5–2.9%) in men with osteoporosis. Cheers 🥂
 

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same fallacy as saying "noo saar use GHK CU it makes small differences for collagen but works!" instead of using var, tazarotene and isotret, none of that is fixing a recessed skeletal pattern or changing facial angularity cause those are bone shape and position issues, PTH analogs are not gonna give you the effects of surgery at all.
Taz and accutane at the same time? 🫠
 

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same fallacy as saying "noo saar use GHK CU it makes small differences for collagen but works!" instead of using var, tazarotene and isotret, none of that is fixing a recessed skeletal pattern or changing facial angularity cause those are bone shape and position issues, PTH analogs are not gonna give you the effects of surgery at all.
I never promised the effects of surgery😭
 

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Hello gg, welcome to my first thread. Please dont mind me being grey, i have shifted from org very recently, enjoy reading!
For over a year now, I have been looking for a way to grow my facial bones, lurking on org, buying and reading medical books about biochemistry and anatomy, but never found a way to stimulate meaningful effects without hardmaxing or orthodontics. I had seen enough of all the “just use hgh” on org with no evidence whatsoever, and decided to dive deeper in it one last time.
Consequently, a week or two ago, I was doing some research with Grok (the best ai to looksmax)
I was doing research about growth plate maturity ages for some important growth plates, when grok suddenly said something that stuck out to me.


I had to read that again.
A peptide that increases bone formation and density more dramatically than GH?
I couldn’t believe my eyes, so i immediately had to hook back on that. I asked grok to cite me the studies that have studied this peptide immediately, and sure it was, as clear as light, definitive proof that these peptides, can actually increase bone formation and density. I immediately went on org to see if any of the PTH analogues that have been studied where mentioned, but there were no thorough articles ever written there about them, and here on .gg, i couldnt find a single post about them.
I figured that this could be my chance to bless the looksmaxing community, so tune in for some High Iq article by me.

What is the PTH?
Parathyroid hormone (PTH) is a hormone made by the parathyroid glands in the neck. It helps control calcium levels in the blood by increasing calcium release from bones, improving calcium absorption in the intestines, and reducing calcium loss in urine. When PTH is given in short and controlled pulses, it becomes osteoanabolic. If given in too high doses it tends to break down bones, so dosing is important.

View attachment 49244

How is it osteoanabolic (or How does it build bones?)
PTH binds to PTH1 receptors on osteoblasts and osteocytes, which promotes osteoblast differentiation, increases osteoblast lifespan, enhances Collagen type 1 and bone matric production.
It also reduces sclerostin, which removed inhibition of the Wnt signaling pathway, which consequently results in strong stimulation of bone formation.
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What are PTH analogues?
PTH analogues are synthetic versions of parathyroid hormone or its fragments designed to replicate its biological actions in the body. They work primarily by stimulating osteoblasts, which are the cells responsible for building new bone tissue. This leads to increased bone formation and improved bone density, making them valuable treatments for severe osteoporosis, especially in postmenopausal women and individuals at high risk of fractures. Unlike some other osteoporosis drugs that only slow bone loss, these analogues actively promote bone growth when used in short courses. Common examples include teriparatide and abaloparatide, which are administered by daily injection.
Now that we should have cleared up most questions, I am going to continue to examples of Working PTH Analogues.
The most famous one is probably Abaloparatide.
Abaloparatide is a synthetic peptide analogue of parathyroid hormone-related protein (PTHrP) that selectively activates the parathyroid hormone type 1 receptor (PTH1R) in a way that favors bone formation. It is primarily used to treat osteoporosis in postmenopausal women and men at high risk of fractures by stimulating osteoblast activity, which increases bone mineral density and bone strength. Administered as a daily subcutaneous injection, it promotes new bone growth more than resorption when used in short treatment courses, typically up to two years. Clinical studies show it effectively reduces the risk of vertebral and non-vertebral fractures.
Abaloparatide has been shown in actual studies to increase actual bone density. They used it on Rats in a lab and came to the result:


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This Study proved that Abaloparatide significantly enhances the formation of new cartilage.
Now onto the second Drug:Pro-Pro-[Arg(11)]hPTH(1-34)-Pro-Pro-Asp (hPTH')
(Hell of a name isnt it)
Pro-Pro-[Arg(11)]hPTH(1-34)-Pro-Pro-Asp, also known as hPTH', is a synthetic, genetically engineered version of human parathyroid hormone designed to treat osteoporosis.
Natural parathyroid hormone regulates calcium and bone growth, and scientists previously discovered that only the first 34 amino acids of the molecule are needed to effectively stimulate bone formation. To create hPTH', researchers modified this essential segment by replacing the eleventh amino acid with arginine. They also added protective chemical "caps" made of proline and aspartic acid to both ends of the chain.
These structural modifications allow the drug to be mass-produced efficiently in laboratory bacteria without being broken down by destructive cellular enzymes. Once injected into the body, natural enzymes clip off the protective caps to release the active medication. Medical studies show that this specific formulation is highly effective, leading to significant increases in bone mineral density and stronger overall bone structure compared to standard hormone treatments.
This Drug is significantly more effective than Abaloparatide.
Both of these Drugs and most other PTH Analogues are usually injected subcutaneously.

But now lets get to the best part: How do they Grow facial bones?
Researchers treated adolescent rats with two bone-building drugs, teriparatide and abaloparatide, while using a specialized splint to pull the lower jaw forward. They then examined how these medications affected jaw cartilage and bone growth over a four-week period. They injected the rats with the drugs into their TMJs.
The results showed that both drugs successfully stimulated jaw growth, but their specific impact depended on the location. While the medications increased cartilage thickness in the jaw joint when used alone, combining them with the physical splint actually reduced cartilage growth at that specific site. However, at other areas of the jaw, the drugs worked together with the physical stretching to significantly increase both jaw length and bone width, proving that these treatments enhance skeletal growth by responding to mechanical pressure.
And now the best Part: Their Ramuses grew taller and when they paired the drugs with the physical splint, even the length of the mandibled increased.
This is huge news for boneless chickens like many of us sitting on these forums.
I am not advising or condoning the use of research drugs under any circumstances, talk to your doctor to get informed for risks.
If these drugs were to be taken, a drug like Hydrochlorothiazide would be recommended due to the increased kidney stone risk.

I hope that i could give some of yall hope, and spread the word!
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You are right here. It was performed on animals with overexpressing PTH receptors. Where you are still not right tho is the fact that we have clear evidence that intermittent PTH does stimulate periosteal apposition and can increase cortical bone width. It may not be as strong as fillers or surgery, but i never promised that. Rat studies may not be always applicable, but we have limited human studies with adolescents (for good reason lol) on this topic, however, there have been studies on men with osteoporosis, showing clear BMD gains at the spine (5.9–9.0%) and femoral neck (1.5–2.9%) in men with osteoporosis.
clear BMD gains at the spine (5.9–9.0%) and femoral neck (1.5–2.9%) in men with osteoporosis. Cheers 🥂
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im pretty sure pth analogues like abol or tetri only increase density as opposed to periosteal growth, maybe if you paired it with androgens it would speed up growth?
 

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im pretty sure pth analogues like abol or tetri only increase density as opposed to periosteal growth, maybe if you paired it with androgens it would speed up growth?
It does increase density in people with conditions but isnt proven for normal healthy people
 

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Rat growth plates never ossify, and none of this would work anyways without distraction osteogenesis or an orthodontic appliance.


The changes you might see are only BMD related, which does not affect the exterior appearance of the bones, just how thick they are, it's not gonna give you crazy angularity or hunter eyes or anything like that, matter fact a more relevant compound for driving periosteal apposition and cortical expansion (which drives bone width) would be a circulating hormone like testosterone because the signal reaches the periosteum broadly and deeply.

Not the worst thread but you extrapolated some of the information without taking important stuff into account, specially this:

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Facial growth plates close way way quicker than other bones. Matter fact i know multiple guys who've done Denosumab and a vast variety of other compounds including PTH analogs and didn't experience 1 single noticeable facial change, PTH analogs are more relevant for things like height increase from a mechanism standpoint
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It does increase density in people with conditions but isnt proven for normal healthy people
again, imagine two beer cans, one is empty and one is full, the full one has high BMD and the empty one has super low BMD, that's all it affects, it doesn't affect the exterior appearance.
 

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again, imagine two beer cans, one is empty and one is full, the full one has high BMD and the empty one has super low BMD, that's all it affects, it doesn't affect the exterior appearance.
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Rat growth plates never ossify, and none of this would work anyways without distraction osteogenesis or an orthodontic appliance.


The changes you might see are only BMD related, which does not affect the exterior appearance of the bones, just how thick they are, it's not gonna give you crazy angularity or hunter eyes or anything like that, matter fact a more relevant compound for driving periosteal apposition and cortical expansion (which drives bone width) would be a circulating hormone like testosterone because the signal reaches the periosteum broadly and deeply.

Not the worst thread but you extrapolated some of the information without taking important stuff into account, specially this:

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Facial growth plates close way way quicker than other bones. Matter fact i know multiple guys who've done Denosumab and a vast variety of other compounds including PTH analogs and didn't experience 1 single noticeable facial change, PTH analogs are more relevant for things like height increase from a mechanism standpoint

Wow mirin just a question so since rat plates never fully ossify should every like study that is related to like doing it on rats be deemed invalid?
 

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Wow mirin just a question so since rat plates never fully ossify should every like study that is related to like doing it on rats be deemed invalid?
Case dependent.
 

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hey so mb for Late response
Since mice bones never fully close/fuse on their own like human bones do do you think KY would even do anything in humans without an AI?
 

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hey so mb for Late response
Since mice bones never fully close/fuse on their own like human bones do do you think KY would even do anything in humans without an AI?
the experimental data suggests it works and it has a legit mechanism, Zagro birthdefect birthdefect and other are already experimenting with KY, fent fent too.
 

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the experimental data suggests it works and it has a legit mechanism, Zagro birthdefect birthdefect and other are already experimenting with KY, fent fent too.
hey so mb for Late response
Since mice bones never fully close/fuse on their own like human bones do do you think KY would even do anything in humans without an AI?
Yes i would say so
 

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wouldnt call myself that but thanks.
I would you understand almost everthing I’ve seen and you can also like cross reference(think that’s the word?) it not just understand you can like explain and argument about it
 

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Yes i would say so

Ah okay but why? Could you explain it to me if it’s not to much work because I can’t like get behind on how it should also work on humans
 

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