SuicideFuel maximizing appostional bone growth will ALWAYS make u shorter - MUST READ - botb (1 Viewer)

[atrophicpyra]

you cannot achieve masculine appositional bone growth through anabolics or any sort of bone anabolic drug without trading away some final predicted height and thats the most brutal truth ever

the genes transcribed for ex, sox9 going up on an hdaci however so does runx2, this will fuck up ur final predicted height,

same thing can be said for tren, in all anabolic studies of tren on animals, the animal that used tren were always smaller skeletonwise even though the tren caused max supression aka almost no e2 in the blood meaning no estrogen induced growth plate fusion. the control group was always bigger

the only hopefuel i have is using 5mg of anavar to increase fph whilst taking 10ius of gh and using a gcr antagonist which will probably increase growth velocity and final predicted height but absloutely ZERO appositional bone growth (atleast signficantly)

popular creators such as androgenic or nocturnal kent, were already tall, being tall is the ultimate base to looksmaxxing and roiding to ascend, everything else can come after that as long as ur below the age of 20-22ish.

the reason why is because they have zero final predicted height to lose they have already been blessed with being over 6 foot, now all they have to do is increase runx2 and other differentiation genes through various methods and BOOM, their clavicles grow! they turn into chad!

the clavicle grows through intramembranous ossifcation smth like that so differentiation genes getting upregualted in the clavicle can lead to wild before and after pics of their clavicles looking narrow then wide (other than the muscle ofc)

anyway my point was that if ur below the age of probably 17-18 and your looking to looksmaxx and take the "roidpill" this is certainly not the way to maximize looks since your facial sutures close relatively as late as ur clavicles stop growing which provides perfect synergy to ascend through roids after the spinal growth plates close and you achieve your true final predicted height

 

[Hexum]

you cannot achieve masculine appositional bone growth through anabolics or any sort of bone anabolic drug without trading away some final predicted height and thats the most brutal truth ever

the genes transcribed for ex, sox9 going up on an hdaci however so does runx2, this will fuck up ur final predicted height,

same thing can be said for tren, in all anabolic studies of tren on animals, the animal that used tren were always smaller skeletonwise even though the tren caused max supression aka almost no e2 in the blood meaning no estrogen induced growth plate fusion. the control group was always bigger

the only hopefuel i have is using 5mg of anavar to increase fph whilst taking 10ius of gh and using a gcr antagonist which will probably increase growth velocity and final predicted height but absloutely ZERO appositional bone growth (atleast signficantly)
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popular creators such as androgenic or nocturnal kent, were already tall, being tall is the ultimate base to looksmaxxing and roiding to ascend, everything else can come after that as long as ur below the age of 20-22ish.

the reason why is because they have zero final predicted height to lose they have already been blessed with being over 6 foot, now all they have to do is increase runx2 and other differentiation genes through various methods and BOOM, their clavicles grow! they turn into chad!

the clavicle grows through intramembranous ossifcation smth like that so differentiation genes getting upregualted in the clavicle can lead to wild before and after pics of their clavicles looking narrow then wide (other than the muscle ofc)

anyway my point was that if ur below the age of probably 17-18 and your looking to looksmaxx and take the "roidpill" this is certainly not the way to maximize looks since your facial sutures close relatively as late as ur clavicles stop growing which provides perfect synergy to ascend through roids after the spinal growth plates close

i knew this already but thank you anyways

 

[atrophicpyra]

i knew this already but thank you anyways

i didnt, i wanted to use hdaci and other shit i dont wanna say, to increase differentiation genes and maximize appositional bone growth around 2 months ago even though im only 15 with open plates

 

[Syna]

 

[atrophicpyra]

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25-15% more growth on the mandible before 18-20 is more than enough to increase tons of mm of appositional growth bro same could be said with the maxilla and zygos even 5% is ALOT of mm and very noticable

 

[Dexter]

Didn't Kent get implants and loox get fillers?

 

[Syna]

Didn't Kent get implants and loox get fillers?

idk, kent looks exactly the same jfl, none of them look good anyways, it's always delusional bs stacking tons of pharma instead of saving for implants and fillers.

 

[atrophicpyra]

Didn't Kent get implants and loox get fillers?

kent obviously got something done hes so irrelevant and annoying because hes never truthful abt jackshit atleast androgenic actually leaks compounds and gives insanely goated info

either way, their transformations were very transitional leading to a conclusion they probably used roids to get that extra mm of appositional bone growth and maybe some filler after having enough bone base

 

[atrophicpyra]

idk, kent looks exactly the same jfl, none of them look good anyways, it's always delusional bs stacking tons of pharma instead of saving for implants and fillers.

fillers are not permanant very low roi compared to implants


i.m.o i think using a gh dose to calc ur gh dose relative to iss studies like for example for me its 10 ius thats the sweet spot and a gcr antagonist like mife with 5mg of anvar to increase the locks in the igf1r and increasing sensitvity even further is the best way u can go with open plates

 

[Syna]

25-15% more growth on the mandible before 18-20 is more than enough to increase tons of mm of appositional growth bro same could be said with the maxilla and zygos even 5% is ALOT of mm and very noticable

Yeah, but periosteal apposition and cortical expansion and appositional deposition is not all that, and im guessing you're expecting for filler/implant like results, which no pharma is going to give you, use pharma for its intended purpuose.

 

[Syna]

fillers are not permanant very low roi compared to implants


i.m.o i think using a gh dose to calc ur gh dose relative to iss studies like for example for me its 10 ius thats the sweet spot and a gcr antagonist like mife with 5mg of anvar to increase the locks in the igf1r and increasing sensitvity even further is the best way u can go with open plates

You're not taking into acocunt growth plates responsivness starts to decline even with the use of external factors.

 

[atrophicpyra]

Yeah, but periosteal apposition and cortical expansion and appositional deposition is not all that, and im guessing you're expecting for filler/implant like results, which no pharma is going to give you, use pharma for its intended purpuose.

extremely personal u dont have to believe me but i have a few friends who roided massively and their faces r alot more masculine and developed and look better although they r shorter, it 100% gives u filler like results if u do it right and for a long enough time

 

[Syna]

fillers are not permanant very low roi compared to implants


i.m.o i think using a gh dose to calc ur gh dose relative to iss studies like for example for me its 10 ius thats the sweet spot and a gcr antagonist like mife with 5mg of anvar to increase the locks in the igf1r and increasing sensitvity even further is the best way u can go with open plates

So you're expecting height and clavicle lenght i guess?

 

[atrophicpyra]

You're not taking into acocunt growth plates responsivness starts to decline even with the use of external factors.

yeah i know u can only prevent the inveitable

 

[atrophicpyra]

So you're expecting height and clavicle lenght i guess?

clavicles dont grow that much through cartilage its mostly from intramembranous ossiffication (dont know if i got that right), so probably not, it will definitely grow though because its also part cartilage

and yeah height

 

[Syna]

clavicles dont grow that much through cartilage its mostly from intramembranous ossiffication (dont know if i got that right), so probably not, it will definitely grow though because its also part cartilage

and yeah height

It is intramembranous ossification yes, how old are you again?

 

[atrophicpyra]

It is intramembranous ossification yes, how old are you again?

15, im def not old enough to use aas otherwise ill be a small lil bitch

only aas worth using is maybe anavar but only at a microdose since studies showed negative roi from high arm doses

 

[Syna]

25-15% more growth on the mandible before 18-20 is more than enough to increase tons of mm of appositional growth bro same could be said with the maxilla and zygos even 5% is ALOT of mm and very noticable

It doesn't work like that, periosteal appositional growth and the result (cortical expansion) work and is a legit mechanism but they are not enough to correct facial deficiencies, especially those that are deep structural issues, (we must remember that what's most relevant is not the raw size of the bone but the shape and position) and expecting roids to just correct everything a certain way is delusional (basically cause you can't control it)

 

[Syna]

15, im def not old enough to use aas otherwise ill be a small lil bitch

only aas worth using is maybe anavar but only at a microdose since studies showed negative roi from high arm doses

check @fent's heightmaxxing202 on botb.

 

[atrophicpyra]

It doesn't work like that, periosteal appositional growth and the result (cortical expansion) work and is a legit mechanism but they are not enough to correct facial deficiencies, especially those that are deep structural issues, (we must remember that what's most relevant is not the raw size of the bone but the shape and position) and expecting roids to just correct everything a certain way is delusional (basically cause you can't control it)

obv but it can def for smth like a recession in the mandible, it can help but not correct since its too late into puberty, ex the mandible can experience forward growth from igf1 since there is smth i forgot whats its called but its like a horizontal growth plate behind the mandible.

 

[atrophicpyra]

check @fent's heightmaxxing202 on botb.

will look i hope i dont see fgfr3 inhibs

 

[Syna]

extremely personal u dont have to believe me but i have a few friends who roided massively and their faces r alot more masculine and developed and look better although they r shorter, it 100% gives u filler like results if u do it right and for a long enough time

It is to be expected because of muslce hyperthrophy and some periosteal appositional growth, but it's mostly just muscle hyperthrophy.

 

[atrophicpyra]

It is to be expected because of muslce hyperthrophy and some periosteal appositional growth, but it's mostly just muscle hyperthrophy.

maybe who knows

 

[Syna]

obv but it can def for smth like a recession in the mandible, it can help but not correct since its too late into puberty, ex the mandible can experience forward growth from igf1 since there is smth i forgot whats its called but its like a horizontal growth plate behind the mandible.

untrue, specially because a mandible recession is a position issue, not a size issue, if you refer to a malocclusion you are wrong here.

 

[atrophicpyra]

untrue, specially because a mandible recession is a position issue, not a size issue, if you refer to a malocclusion you are wrong here.

ya the growth plate i think behind the mandible can push the mandible forward which is why gh can increase forward growth of the mandible. a malocclusion is just a problem to be fixed with filler or implants or smth

 

[Syna]

ya the growth plate i think behind the mandible can push the mandible forward which is why gh can increase forward growth of the mandible. a malocclusion is just a problem to be fixed with filler or implants or smth

You don't understand what a maloclussion is do you?

 

[atrophicpyra]

You don't understand what a maloclussion is do you?

when the chin is recessed or smth like it looks pushed back idk but i think its a structural deformity

 

[Syna]

ya the growth plate i think behind the mandible can push the mandible forward which is why gh can increase forward growth of the mandible. a malocclusion is just a problem to be fixed with filler or implants or smth

Most mandible growth occurs between 13-15, you missinterpreted that chart, the fact that it can continue to grow till 20 doesn't mean it will grow just enough with to fix your structural issues, same goes with the rest of your facial bones that finish developing a lot lot sooner, you are also treating facial bones as long bones like the tibia and femur, and we know growth plates from bigger bones are way more responsive.

 

[XvideosDemon]

wtf

you cannot achieve masculine appositional bone growth through anabolics or any sort of bone anabolic drug without trading away some final predicted height and thats the most brutal truth ever

the genes transcribed for ex, sox9 going up on an hdaci however so does runx2, this will fuck up ur final predicted height,

same thing can be said for tren, in all anabolic studies of tren on animals, the animal that used tren were always smaller skeletonwise even though the tren caused max supression aka almost no e2 in the blood meaning no estrogen induced growth plate fusion. the control group was always bigger

the only hopefuel i have is using 5mg of anavar to increase fph whilst taking 10ius of gh and using a gcr antagonist which will probably increase growth velocity and final predicted height but absloutely ZERO appositional bone growth (atleast signficantly)
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popular creators such as androgenic or nocturnal kent, were already tall, being tall is the ultimate base to looksmaxxing and roiding to ascend, everything else can come after that as long as ur below the age of 20-22ish.

the reason why is because they have zero final predicted height to lose they have already been blessed with being over 6 foot, now all they have to do is increase runx2 and other differentiation genes through various methods and BOOM, their clavicles grow! they turn into chad!

the clavicle grows through intramembranous ossifcation smth like that so differentiation genes getting upregualted in the clavicle can lead to wild before and after pics of their clavicles looking narrow then wide (other than the muscle ofc)

anyway my point was that if ur below the age of probably 17-18 and your looking to looksmaxx and take the "roidpill" this is certainly not the way to maximize looks since your facial sutures close relatively as late as ur clavicles stop growing which provides perfect synergy to ascend through roids after the spinal growth plates close and you achieve your true final predicted height

Wrd

 

[Syna]

when the chin is recessed or smth like it looks pushed back idk but i think its a structural deformity

A chin is a chin, a mandible a mandible, a chin recession is not equal to a mandible recession.

 

[atrophicpyra]

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A chin is a chin, a mandible a mandible, a chin recession is not equal to a mandible recession.

class 2 need to rope

but ig yeah

anyway, im going to order in a couple days some anvar gh mife and enclo and maybe some pentoxifyline