[Mirilow]

Ye my friend will probably run it to

Icl the netherlands is probably the most informed about BP out of all the countries we mog out here too I went to the US once and everybody was a 5 ft 7 40% bodyfat cuck

 

[iYuvx.gg]

Ye my friend will probably run it to

cld also get ai and nuke ur test and also hop on dht-derivs cos then they dont aromatize

 

[TheCoolDude2000]

Icl the netherlands is probably the most informed about BP out of all the countries we mog out here too I went to the US once and everybody was a 5 ft 7 40% bodyfat cuck

Good spawn point

 

[TheCoolDude2000]

cld also get ai and nuke ur test and also hop on dht-derivs cos then they dont aromatize

If your able to bloodworks tho, getting estrogen too low is harmful

 

[Mirilow]

cld also get ai and nuke ur test and also hop on dht-derivs cos then they dont aromatize

So u want me to get an aramotase inhibitor to keep my growth plates open for longer but why nuke test

 

[iYuvx.gg]

If your able to bloodworks tho, getting estrogen too low is harmful

ik he wld have to low dose e2 tablets

 

[iYuvx.gg]

So u want me to get an aramotase inhibitor to keep my growth plates open for longer but why nuke test

cos test aromatizes into estrogen which while ai suppresses this systemically in epiphyseal plates test can acc aromatize their so if u want to fully stop aromatization affecting plates then u cld nuke test, low dose it instead and instead use dht derivs cos dht doesnt aromatize

 

[Mirilow]

ik he wld have to low dose e2 tablets

Brutal that you guys can't do a lot of shit anymore since your all 16+

 

[TheCoolDude2000]

Test converts to estrogen also local in growth plates an ai would not inhibit that

 

[iYuvx.gg]

Brutal that you guys can't do a lot of shit anymore since your all 16+

turning in a week gimme sum lifefuel bru

 

[Mirilow]

turning in a week gimme sum lifefuel bru

Isn't ai expensive asf tho

 

[TheCoolDude2000]

turning in a week gimme sum lifefuel bru

tanner stage is more important than age

 

[TheCoolDude2000]

Isn't ai expensive asf tho

nah not really if your getting grey if i am correct

 

[iYuvx.gg]

tanner stage is more important than age

ik yh but im pretty far advanced like taller than dad by an inch and facial hair and stuff

 

[Mirilow]

tanner stage is more important than age

Bone age is the most important ig also tanner stage is mostly inaccurate especially via online tests

 

[iYuvx.gg]

nah not really if your getting grey if i am correct

indiamart for 10 rupees nigga

 

[TheCoolDude2000]

nah not really if your getting grey if i am correct

Checked its pretty cheap lol

 

[TheCoolDude2000]

indiamart for 10 rupees nigga

Problem with indiamart is customs

 

[Mirilow]

Checked its pretty cheap lol

So hgh and ai and what for sides u need some like that too right

 

[iYuvx.gg]

Problem with indiamart is customs

yh ik but they litro got everything bru

 

[TheCoolDude2000]

So hgh and ai and what for sides u need some like that too right

maybe thyroid support

 

[iYuvx.gg]

yh ik but they litro got everything bru

ik a guy litro got romo and lasix from there asw like u arent getting this in sum usa vendor

 

[TheCoolDude2000]

ik a guy litro got romo and lasix from there asw like u arent getting this in sum usa vendor

I have found romo too on there but yea no way my package to eu isn’t getting seized

 

[iYuvx.gg]

I have found romo too on there but yea no way my package to eu isn’t getting seized

yh thats the issue

 

[birthdefect]

First post and please read all through to get a firm grasp of what I am saying as I am desperate for help but here is some background to enlighten you.

introduction:

I am 15 years old and in tanner stage 3.75 ish in puberty. I have had one growth spurt from tanner stage 2- early 3 (non peak pubertal spurt) and i might be in my second one now.

My shoulders as in bone wise are around average for my height and age, maybe slightly above average, some days I look wide and it makes me happy, other days I look like a framelet. I dont want this frameletness of me anymore. I am nor narrow nor wide, i am average or a tiny bit above average.

I have a 19 inch bideltoid but as you read through this thread, I want my clavicles (the bones themselves) to carry my physique. and dont hit me with the 'train shoulders and lats for to look wide' Because I am looking for my bones to be wider, and i dont care about the muscles a lot.

I am 5'9 (175cm) and have a 5'0 (152cm) mom and a 5'10-5'11 (180-181cm dad)
my dads side has like a wide frame and also uncle is 6'1 and grandfather is 6'0.
moms side not so wide but still have 5'8 and 5'10 (173-178cm) uncles although they have 5'0 mom and a 5'7 (170cm) dad

I am quite dominant in terms of my dads side, but my goal end height is 6'3 (190cm) at the very least although my short parents, I still look like a kid and other adults say that I have A LOT of growth left (I am a mild late bloomer)


Main story now:

I first started blackpilling in early 2025 as a truecel larp, but only started 'looksmaxxing' if you may yesterday.

I have come across crazy roid transformations like loox and kent, and they actually grew their clavicle (bones itself) A LOT with roids

I am starting to research stuff like ESR alpha gene inhibition and fgfr3 gene inhibition and heavily considering exogenous HGH and testosterone and maybe tren, I have started to heavily research growth pathways and how to inhibit genes that limit bone growth.

Now here is the thing:

As I am still quite early in puberty and maybe even earlier than I think (idk might be cope though) I am thinking of naturally optimising hormones and growth for a year, and then hop on HGH, testosterone, letrozole and HCG this time next year and maybe a few other things or altercations as I hope to get a job at that time.

The reason why I want to hop on the roids is because I have seen A LOT of clavicle growth and height growth but also high clavicle growth relative to height by the people on HGH, but I need advice on what I should take to maximise clavicular length.

Please dont hit me with 'just build your delts bro' or 'train your lats, it will give you the illusion of a v taper bro' because that is not what I am looking for. I am looking for a very wide frame by bones.

does training shoulders and lats and upper chest actually help with clavicular elongation? or is it cope? is there anything to put mechanical stimuli on clavicles to make them longer? or is that cope

I know roids are not cope, but I need to know what to hop on, and when shall i hop on... Now or a year from now?

Is the gym stunting my growth or is it helping with it? (i started lifting at like 12-13 years old, on and off and started training to faliure or near faliure from age 13 onwards, once again, on and off) age 12 i was 4'11 age 14 i was 5'6 now Im 5'9

my ultimate goal is to get as wide clavicles (bones and frame) and dont hit me with the muscle stuff as I can possibly get, and to get to at least 6'3 for adult height (preferably more). I really need roid and hormone advice. Thank you for reading and please get back to me I am extremely desperate, peace for now.

if you wanna be a true lab rat and are willing to find a decently priced source for it you could try ky19382
it inhibits the cxxc5 - dvl ppi which rises from estrogen during puberty to fuse your plates
infigratinib isnt that hard to source either from a chinese source, and both of these compoudns can be taken orally
theres more out there