[Vampyr]

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12193430/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11467359/

So it accelerates puberty/skeletal maturation and earlier puberty = estrogen production rises,
but the thing that will make your growth plates close is ur estrogen.
So if you limit your estrogen production that would = growth plates staying open for longer which = a taller final height.

Hence why you take aromatase inhibitors along with hgh for height growth.

 

[akz]

So it accelerates puberty/skeletal maturation and earlier puberty = estrogen production rises,
but the thing that will make your growth plates close is ur estrogen.
So if you limit your estrogen production that would = growth plates staying open for longer which = a taller final height.

Hence why you take aromatase inhibitors along with hgh for height growth.

That's exactly what I was thinking yes, but most people don't know this. This is also what Biomaxx mentioned.

 

[Enzo]

Turns out that even by using HGH, you are unlikely to exceed your genetic potential height.

The only use for it really is GH deficient people. Most teens (99% of all of you) are not GH deficient so it seems to be rather useless for height.

A 5-year analysis of GH treatment in children with IGHD, MPHD, SGA, or ISS showed significant height SDS gains (1.6–2.1), but outcomes approached—not exceeded—genetic height potential (defined as mid-parental target height), with corrected HSDS improving toward the target
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1096637415300265

Meta-analyses for SGA (4 RCTs, 391 kids) and ISS (10 studies, including 3 RCTs) found modest adult height gains (~4–5.7 cm over controls), but these reduce deficits rather than surpass genetic predictions; response is variable and smaller than in GH-deficient cases, with no high-quality evidence for exceeding potential in non-deficient kids.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5790327/

Also clinical guidelines confirm that in healthy children with normal GH levels, exogenous HGH does not boost final height beyond genetics and risks side effects like accelerated bone maturation.
https://mensreproductivehealth.com/...t-it-does-when-it-helps-and-when-to-avoid-it/

Those jesters on tiktok didn't take hgh whilst it was being gatekept, they're just trying to scam you into buying their shitty course. Realistically, HGH is useless unless you have a GH deficiency which is unlikely.

So it's the same for test too?

 

[looksmaxer]

So it accelerates puberty/skeletal maturation and earlier puberty = estrogen production rises,
but the thing that will make your growth plates close is ur estrogen.
So if you limit your estrogen production that would = growth plates staying open for longer which = a taller final height.

Hence why you take aromatase inhibitors along with hgh for height growth.

So, if you take GH at the wrong time, when your estrogen levels are highest (during puberty), the plaques will close faster. But if you counteract this with an estrogen conversion blocker, then yes, GH won't make your plaques close faster.

 

[Vampyr]

So, if you take GH at the wrong time, when your estrogen levels are highest (during puberty), the plaques will close faster. But if you counteract this with an estrogen conversion blocker, then yes, GH won't make your plaques close faster.

Yes that's correct

 

[Bigonialmanlet]

based (+ orthodontics n hardmaxxes)

congrats on escaping the greyrole

 

[akz]

congrats on escaping the greyrole

much love brotha im finally outta that shit

 

[Vampyr]

So, if you take GH at the wrong time, when your estrogen levels are highest (during puberty), the plaques will close faster. But if you counteract this with an estrogen conversion blocker, then yes, GH won't make your plaques close faster.

Yes that's correct

Sorry I misread what you said, no it's not correct.

The earlier growth plate closure is cause of earlier onset of puberty which = earlier rise in estrogen,
Which indirectly correlates to early growth plate closure.
(which only happens if you used gh before puberty according to the study you used)
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12193430/

That won't happen if you started using GH having already hit puberty.
Because you are essentially saying that GH gives you more estrogen during puberty, which is not correct.

 

[Ihateypu33]

All ways lead to surgery

 

[looksmaxer]

Sorry I misread what you said, no it's not correct.

The earlier growth plate closure is cause of earlier onset of puberty which = earlier rise in estrogen,
Which indirectly correlates to early growth plate closure.
(which only happens if you used gh before puberty according to the study you used)
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12193430/

That won't happen if you started using GH having already hit puberty.
Because you are essentially saying that GH gives you more estrogen during puberty, which is not correct.

GH increases bone age, not estrogen and without blocking estrogen, estrogen remains elevated up to 18-20

 

[Vampyr]

GH increases bone age, not estrogen

Yes that is what I was saying

 

[Harmonyhunter]

Mirin the most you could squeeze out is 2-3 cm but this at the cost of your health and money assuming your doing it during teen years.
The best Idea is to focus on saving your money to improve your face.
Slayerjonas made a thread on this to

 

[akz]

Mirin the most you could squeeze out is 2-3 cm but this at the cost of your health and money assuming your doing it during teen years.
The best Idea is to focus on saving your money to improve your face.
Slayerjonas made a thread on this to

Literally what I've been preaching lol

 

[akz]

Sorry I misread what you said, no it's not correct.

The earlier growth plate closure is cause of earlier onset of puberty which = earlier rise in estrogen,
Which indirectly correlates to early growth plate closure.
(which only happens if you used gh before puberty according to the study you used)
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12193430/

That won't happen if you started using GH having already hit puberty.
Because you are essentially saying that GH gives you more estrogen during puberty, which is not correct.

Will comment on this later.

 

[framepilled]

go FUCK yourself

 

[akz]

go FUCK yourself

TOUCHED

 

[framepilled]

TOUCHED

 

[hgh enthusiast]

Turns out that even by using HGH, you are unlikely to exceed your genetic potential height.

The only use for it really is GH deficient people. Most teens (99% of all of you) are not GH deficient so it seems to be rather useless for height.

A 5-year analysis of GH treatment in children with IGHD, MPHD, SGA, or ISS showed significant height SDS gains (1.6–2.1), but outcomes approached—not exceeded—genetic height potential (defined as mid-parental target height), with corrected HSDS improving toward the target
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1096637415300265

Meta-analyses for SGA (4 RCTs, 391 kids) and ISS (10 studies, including 3 RCTs) found modest adult height gains (~4–5.7 cm over controls), but these reduce deficits rather than surpass genetic predictions; response is variable and smaller than in GH-deficient cases, with no high-quality evidence for exceeding potential in non-deficient kids.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5790327/

Also clinical guidelines confirm that in healthy children with normal GH levels, exogenous HGH does not boost final height beyond genetics and risks side effects like accelerated bone maturation.
https://mensreproductivehealth.com/...t-it-does-when-it-helps-and-when-to-avoid-it/

Those jesters on tiktok didn't take hgh whilst it was being gatekept, they're just trying to scam you into buying their shitty course. Realistically, HGH is useless unless you have a GH deficiency which is unlikely.

high iq if your not deficient don’t waste time money and your health on it no point in getting diabetes for no gains, if you have the slightest concern that your deficient then try and get prescribed, i’m gh deficient been on hgh but it still won’t make me taller than my genetic predetermined height it just makes sure i can get there.

 

[nachtfinsternis]

Turns out that even by using HGH, you are unlikely to exceed your genetic potential height.

The only use for it really is GH deficient people. Most teens (99% of all of you) are not GH deficient so it seems to be rather useless for height.

A 5-year analysis of GH treatment in children with IGHD, MPHD, SGA, or ISS showed significant height SDS gains (1.6–2.1), but outcomes approached—not exceeded—genetic height potential (defined as mid-parental target height), with corrected HSDS improving toward the target
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1096637415300265

Meta-analyses for SGA (4 RCTs, 391 kids) and ISS (10 studies, including 3 RCTs) found modest adult height gains (~4–5.7 cm over controls), but these reduce deficits rather than surpass genetic predictions; response is variable and smaller than in GH-deficient cases, with no high-quality evidence for exceeding potential in non-deficient kids.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5790327/

Also clinical guidelines confirm that in healthy children with normal GH levels, exogenous HGH does not boost final height beyond genetics and risks side effects like accelerated bone maturation.
https://mensreproductivehealth.com/...t-it-does-when-it-helps-and-when-to-avoid-it/

Those jesters on tiktok didn't take hgh whilst it was being gatekept, they're just trying to scam you into buying their shitty course. Realistically, HGH is useless unless you have a GH deficiency which is unlikely.

plus estrogen blockers stop your brain from growing during puberty

 

[akz]

high iq if your not deficient don’t waste time money and your health on it no point in getting diabetes for no gains, if you have the slightest concern that your deficient then try and get prescribed, i’m gh deficient been on hgh but it still won’t make me taller than my genetic predetermined height it just makes sure i can get there.

good shit brotha, you're using it for the correct reasons

 

[augig]

Good thread

 

[justnemat]

Turns out that even by using HGH, you are unlikely to exceed your genetic potential height.

The only use for it really is GH deficient people. Most teens (99% of all of you) are not GH deficient so it seems to be rather useless for height.

A 5-year analysis of GH treatment in children with IGHD, MPHD, SGA, or ISS showed significant height SDS gains (1.6–2.1), but outcomes approached—not exceeded—genetic height potential (defined as mid-parental target height), with corrected HSDS improving toward the target
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1096637415300265

Meta-analyses for SGA (4 RCTs, 391 kids) and ISS (10 studies, including 3 RCTs) found modest adult height gains (~4–5.7 cm over controls), but these reduce deficits rather than surpass genetic predictions; response is variable and smaller than in GH-deficient cases, with no high-quality evidence for exceeding potential in non-deficient kids.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5790327/

Also clinical guidelines confirm that in healthy children with normal GH levels, exogenous HGH does not boost final height beyond genetics and risks side effects like accelerated bone maturation.
https://mensreproductivehealth.com/...t-it-does-when-it-helps-and-when-to-avoid-it/

Those jesters on tiktok didn't take hgh whilst it was being gatekept, they're just trying to scam you into buying their shitty course. Realistically, HGH is useless unless you have a GH deficiency which is unlikely.

dnrd but I agree with the title bhai