Serious hgh might actually be cope if ur growing correctly, this is MASSIVELY subjective (4 Viewers)

[atrophicpyra]

so i looked into this DEEP, it turns somebody like me who is around 70kg would produce around 8.9ius of gh this is signficantly alot more than what most ppl produce but i got the calculation through this

prepubertal children produce aproximatly 20ug/kg per day and produce 2x that during the peal of puberty which is 40ug per kg per day,
since im 70kg thats 70 x 40 = 2,800 or 2.8mg which is around 8.9 ius

but heres what i mean by this is massively subjective it matters abt which tanner stage ur in and how much ius ur taking per day, if ur taking around 8 ius per day and u weigh 70kg, thats lower than the amount u produce during peak puberty however this could actually increase fph when taken with ai if ur around late tanner stage 4 when igf1 receptors r less responsive to igf1 and estrogen increases, ur igf1 levels also start to decrease so the 8 ius per day could potentially increase fph even though ur further in puberty

so what does this mean for me?; im at around tanner stage 4 right now which is the perfect time to use ai since estrogen is climbing to close growth plates, which is why im doing 6.25mg-8.35mg ed, this also means that im preventing gh to igf1 receptor unresponsiveness due to the increase of estrogen that im preventing through ai

i have also found countless studies where kids using a 0.5mg/kg/day dose and experienced a lower fph and even one where it was 0.9mg/kg/day and they also had a lower fph of 1.2CM(or maybe inches i dont remember) which puts us at risk of dosing our gh wrong, this leads us to either

A. use extremely high gh doses like 10 or 12 at 70kg for ex with an ai to keep gh-igf1 receptor sensitivity and prevent plate closure which is very money inefficent bec keep in mind u need to run this gh dose for YEARS to even achieve an acclerated fph or...

B. use a growth hormone secragouge like mk677 which is more efficent with an ai to keep gh-igf1 receptor sensitivty and prevent plate closure.

i prefer B. because im in the upper percantile of height for my age at around the 70 percentile.(around 5'10 at 15) what this means is that my pituitary is probably producing more than enough gh and gh isnt needed nor benefical at all but rather riskier bec it could decrease my fph, unlike mk677.

has mk677 shown to increase fph in studies? NO not as much gh atleast, but it is the closest affordable gh enhancer with the least risk and could be amplified through mifepristone or anticatabolic steroids. ( and possibly hdaci)

 

[atrophicpyra]

so i looked into this DEEP, it turns somebody like me who is around 70kg would produce around 8.9ius of gh this is signficantly alot more than what most ppl produce but i got the calculation through this

prepubertal children produce aproximatly 20ug/kg per day and produce 2x that during the peal of puberty which is 40ug per kg per day,
since im 70kg thats 70 x 40 = 2,800 or 2.8mg which is around 8.9 ius

but heres what i mean by this is massively subjective it matters abt which tanner stage ur in and how much ius ur taking per day, if ur taking around 8 ius per day and u weigh 70kg, thats lower than the amount u produce during peak puberty however this could actually increase fph when taken with ai if ur around late tanner stage 4 when igf1 receptors r less responsive to igf1 and estrogen increases, ur igf1 levels also start to decrease so the 8 ius per day could potentially increase fph even though ur further in puberty

so what does this mean for me?; im at around tanner stage 4 right now which is the perfect time to use ai since estrogen is climbing to close growth plates, which is why im doing 6.25mg-8.35mg ed, this also means that im preventing gh to igf1 receptor unresponsiveness due to the increase of estrogen that im preventing through ai

i have also found countless studies where kids using a 0.5mg/kg/day dose and experienced a lower fph and even one where it was 0.9mg/kg/day and they also had a lower fph of 1.2CM(or maybe inches i dont remember) which puts us at risk of dosing our gh wrong, this leads us to either

A. use extremely high gh doses like 10 or 12 at 70kg for ex with an ai to keep gh-igf1 receptor sensitivity and prevent plate closure which is very money inefficent bec keep in mind u need to run this gh dose for YEARS to even achieve an acclerated fph or...

B. use a growth hormone secragouge like mk677 which is more efficent with an ai to keep gh-igf1 receptor sensitivty and prevent plate closure.

i prefer B. because im in the upper percantile of height for my age at around the 70 percentile.(around 5'10 at 15) what this means is that my pituitary is probably producing more than enough gh and gh isnt needed nor benefical at all but rather riskier bec it could decrease my fph, unlike mk677.

has mk677 shown to increase fph in studies? NO not as much gh atleast, but it is the closest affordable gh enhancer with the least risk and could be amplified through mifepristone or anticatabolic steroids. ( and possibly hdaci)

Syna birthdefect thuoghts

 

[Syna]

which tanner stage ur in

instant dnr, tanner stages are a meme, haven't read the rest, will read later.

 

[atrophicpyra]

instant dnr, tanner stages are a meme.

tanner stages determine how much ur gp have differentiated and how advanced ur pituitary is completely not cope its the opposite

 

[Syna]

tanner stages determine how much ur gp have differentiated and how advanced ur pituitary is completely not cope its the opposite

tanner stages are based on stupid shitty ass markers like pubic hair and acne and penile development, if you want precision go for a knee x ray.

 

[atrophicpyra]

tanner stages are based on stupid shitty ass markers like pubic hair and acne and penile development, if you want precision go for a knee x ray.

gng i literally got an xray thats what i meant by ik im in tanner stage 4

 

[Syna]

gng i literally got an xray thats what i meant by ik im in tanner stage 4

do you know a tanner stage is? hAs nothing to do with bones or growth plates.

 

[atrophicpyra]

do you know a tanner stage is?
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literally just put my bone xray into gpt and it told me i was in tanner stage 4 due to how closed my gp in my wrists r

plus i also put in my bloodwork which is 700 test and 57 e2(e2 and test r climbind which is seen in tanner stage 4) which obviously means im probably in either late tanner stage 3 or tanner stage 4 and since months have passed its pretty evident to conlcude im in tanner stage 4

 

[Syna]

literally just put my bone xray into gpt and it told me i was in tanner stage 4 due to how closed my gp in my wrists r

medical book definition, not mine, plus using chatgpt?

 

[atrophicpyra]

medical book definition, not mine, plus using chatgpt?

your right bro im obviosulyyyyy in tanner stage 1 with 700 test and climbing e2 and partially closing gp
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[Syna]

your right bro im obviosulyyyyy in tanner stage 1 with 700 test and climbing e2 and partially closing gp
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Jesus even explaining simple concepts and definitions to you is impossible, you're genuine retard, plus, you're just saying shit.

Tanner stages have fucking nothing to do with determining if your growth plates are open, nearing closure or closed, both concepts might be correlated but a certain tanner stage does not equal a certain bone age or growth plate state.

 

[Syna]

literally just put my bone xray into gpt and it told me i was in tanner stage 4 due to how closed my gp in my wrists r

plus i also put in my bloodwork which is 700 test and 57 e2(e2 and test r climbind which is seen in tanner stage 4) which obviously means im probably in either late tanner stage 3 or tanner stage 4 and since months have passed its pretty evident to conlcude im in tanner stage 4

get a knee xray and ask a radiologist to interpret it, that's an accurate way to know.

 

[the wizard]

so i looked into this DEEP, it turns somebody like me who is around 70kg would produce around 8.9ius of gh this is signficantly alot more than what most ppl produce but i got the calculation through this

prepubertal children produce aproximatly 20ug/kg per day and produce 2x that during the peal of puberty which is 40ug per kg per day,
since im 70kg thats 70 x 40 = 2,800 or 2.8mg which is around 8.9 ius

but heres what i mean by this is massively subjective it matters abt which tanner stage ur in and how much ius ur taking per day, if ur taking around 8 ius per day and u weigh 70kg, thats lower than the amount u produce during peak puberty however this could actually increase fph when taken with ai if ur around late tanner stage 4 when igf1 receptors r less responsive to igf1 and estrogen increases, ur igf1 levels also start to decrease so the 8 ius per day could potentially increase fph even though ur further in puberty

so what does this mean for me?; im at around tanner stage 4 right now which is the perfect time to use ai since estrogen is climbing to close growth plates, which is why im doing 6.25mg-8.35mg ed, this also means that im preventing gh to igf1 receptor unresponsiveness due to the increase of estrogen that im preventing through ai

i have also found countless studies where kids using a 0.5mg/kg/day dose and experienced a lower fph and even one where it was 0.9mg/kg/day and they also had a lower fph of 1.2CM(or maybe inches i dont remember) which puts us at risk of dosing our gh wrong, this leads us to either

A. use extremely high gh doses like 10 or 12 at 70kg for ex with an ai to keep gh-igf1 receptor sensitivity and prevent plate closure which is very money inefficent bec keep in mind u need to run this gh dose for YEARS to even achieve an acclerated fph or...

B. use a growth hormone secragouge like mk677 which is more efficent with an ai to keep gh-igf1 receptor sensitivty and prevent plate closure.

i prefer B. because im in the upper percantile of height for my age at around the 70 percentile.(around 5'10 at 15) what this means is that my pituitary is probably producing more than enough gh and gh isnt needed nor benefical at all but rather riskier bec it could decrease my fph, unlike mk677.

has mk677 shown to increase fph in studies? NO not as much gh atleast, but it is the closest affordable gh enhancer with the least risk and could be amplified through mifepristone or anticatabolic steroids. ( and possibly hdaci)

dnr jew

 

[atrophicpyra]

Jesus even explaining simple concepts and definitions to you is impossible, you're genuine retard, plus, you're just saying shit.

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Tanner stages have fucking nothing to do with determining if your growth plates are open, nearing closure or closed, both concepts might be correlated but a certain tanner stage does not equal a certain bone age or growth plate state.

yes it does, test e2 and igf1 are ALL correlated jfl

so ur saying if i had a test of 1100 and like 100 e2 im not in tanner stage 5 because my blood igf1 says its in its peak? do yk how stupid that is? tanner stage and bone age r almost ALWAYS correlated

you obviously dont know that the igf1 receptor loses sensitivity first before blood igf1 drops due to the increase in pulsatilte gh right? JFLLL

 

[atrophicpyra]

get a knee xray and ask a radiologist to interpret it, that's an accurate way to know.

HELLLLL NO they r so dumb at that they made my bone age the same as my age on defualt even though it was pretty obvious my bone age was much more signficantly aged than my bilogical age due to how they were partially closing


(btw its like this for every single one)

 

[Syna]

so ur saying if i had a test of 1100 and like 100 e2 im not in tanner stage 5 because my blood igf1 says its in its peak?

no

 

[Syna]

you obviously dont know that the igf1 receptor loses sensitivity first before blood igf1 drops due to the increase in pulsatilte gh right?

okay sure.

 

[Syna]

HELLLLL NO they r so dumb at that they made my bone age the same as my age on defualt even though it was pretty obvious my bone age was much more signficantly aged than my bilogical age due to how they were partially closing


(btw its like this for every single one)

sad to hear that.

 

[atrophicpyra]

no

so then what determines how far u are in puberty in terms of bone age pituitary maturity and receptor sensitivity?

if its not bloodwork its certainly not just xrays jfl ur bone age could be 2 years above ur biological age and u could be in tanner stage 4 with closed gp

only way to know is through bloodwork AND xrays combined, if ur plates r partially closing even though ur at peak igf1 it means ur probably in tanner stage 4 like me,

if ur the opposite probably means ur starting puberty

if ur test e and e2 r 700 and 57 like me (climbing e2) and partially closing plates it means ur abt to enter tanner stage 4 which is why im using ai rn

 

[atrophicpyra]

sad to hear that.

yea. atleast the xrays r usually covered by insurance

 

[the wizard]

so then what determines how far u are in puberty in terms of bone age pituitary maturity and receptor sensitivity?

if its not bloodwork its certainly not just xrays jfl ur bone age could be 2 years above ur biological age and u could be in tanner stage 4 with closed gp

only way to know is through bloodwork AND xrays combined, if ur plates r partially closing even though ur at peak igf1 it means ur probably in tanner stage 4 like me,

if ur the opposite probably means ur starting puberty

if ur test e and e2 r 700 and 57 like me (climbing e2) and partially closing plates it means ur abt to enter tanner stage 4 which is why im using ai rn

u using big words doesn’t change the fact ur a jew fag

 

[Syna]

yes it does, test e2 and igf1 are ALL correlated jfl

so ur saying if i had a test of 1100 and like 100 e2 im not in tanner stage 5 because my blood igf1 says its in its peak? do yk how stupid that is? tanner stage and bone age r almost ALWAYS correlated

you obviously dont know that the igf1 receptor loses sensitivity first before blood igf1 drops due to the increase in pulsatilte gh right? JFLLL

tanner stages do not use bloodwork and only rely on body markers like pubic hair development and other "puberty markers" you're misinformed on what tanner stages are and the criteria that is used.

 

[atrophicpyra]

tanner stages do not use bloodwork and only rely on body markers like pubic hair development and other "puberty markers" you're misinformed on what tanner stages are and the criteria that is used.

yk puberty markers arnt just physical right? it could be bloodwork and bone xrays?

 

[Syna]

yk puberty markers arnt just physical right? it could be bloodwork and bone xrays?

yes that's true, but tanner stages ONLY use physical markers like pubic hair development.

 

[atrophicpyra]

yes that's true, but tanner stages ONLY use physical markers like pubic hair development.

thats in the medical setting

in the lm setting it is infinetly easier to combine physical bloodwork and bone xray to find ur true tanner stage

 

[Syna]

thats in the medical setting

in the lm setting it is infinetly easier to combine physical bloodwork and bone xray to find ur true tanner stage

then you're not using the tanner stage classification anymore because the tanner stages use puberty and sexual markers that are only physical retard, they don't use bloodwork or x rays.

 

[Syna]

only way to know is through bloodwork AND xrays combined

I agree with this i never argued against this , i was just saying you were using the tanner stages definition wrong.

 

[atrophicpyra]

then you're not using the tanner stage classification anymore because the tanner stages use puberty and sexual markers that are only physical retard, they don't use bloodwork or x rays.

gng thats for medicalniggers


if u use bloodwork xray they r alot better to determine tanner stage than just physical.

the reason why doctors use physical to determine tanner stage is for a conveneient dumbfuck way to tell u ur progressing in the most innacurate way possible

 

[Syna]

gng thats for medicalniggers


if u use bloodwork xray they r alot better to determine tanner stage than just physical.

the reason why doctors use physical to determine tanner stage is for a conveneient dumbfuck way to tell u ur progressing in the most innacurate way possible

yeah, but you were still using markers tanner stages DO NOT include or use, that was my whole point, tanner stages are inaccurate because they solely rely on exterior sexual development indicators dumb nigger if you say "i used xrays and bloodwork and it showed im in tanner stage 5" you're NOT using the tanner scale you're using a whole different system (which is more accurate and works).

 

[atrophicpyra]

then you're not using the tanner stage classification anymore because the tanner stages use puberty and sexual markers that are only physical retard, they don't use bloodwork or x rays.

can we focus on the actual point of the post, is the mk677 25mg more efficent than unpredictable ius of gh and very expensive gh

 

[atrophicpyra]

yeah, but you were still using markers tanner stages DO NOT include or use, that was my whole point, tanner stages are inaccurate because they solely rely on exterior sexual development indicators dumb nigger if you say "i used xrays and bloodwork and it showed im in tanner stage 5" you're NOT using the tanner scale you're using a whole different system (which is more accurate and works).

well no bec the bloodwork and xrays results in the production of physical changes, if u combine bloodwork and xrays to form a hypothesis that ur in tanner stage 4 that means ur probably in tanner stage 4, regardless of ur physical attributes

 

[Syna]

can we focus on the actual point of the post, is the mk677 25mg more efficent than unpredictable ius of gh and very expensive gh

i wouldn't drop GH, the use of a GHRP might make sense and pretty sure birthdefect already had a posted discussing using a GHRP combined with GH for a more stimulated GH/IGF1 axis.

 

[Syna]

well no bec the bloodwork and xrays results in the production of physical changes, if u combine bloodwork and xrays to form a hypothesis that ur in tanner stage 4 that means ur probably in tanner stage 4, regardless of ur physical attributes

you're doing a broader pubertal assessment then, not strict Tanner staging, terminology matters.

 

[atrophicpyra]

i wouldn't drop GH, the use of a GHRP might make sense and pretty sure birthdefect already had a posted discussing using a GHRP combined with GH for a more stimulated GH/IGF1 axis.

mk677 duration is longer than ghrps fuck ghrps nigga


i dont know because if i deadass drop gh i have so much more money for tren test and var and all that shit and needles too, if i include gh its very inexpensive for a mild benefit that could have been achieved with megadose mk677 like 75mg-100mg according to ur weight

 

[Syna]

still a secretagogue

mk677 duration is longer than ghrps fuck ghrps nigga


i dont know because if i deadass drop gh i have so much more money for tren test and var and all that shit and needles too, if i include gh its very inexpensive for a mild benefit that could have been achieved with megadose mk677 like 75mg-100mg according to ur weight

 

[atrophicpyra]

you're doing a broader pubertal assessment then, not strict Tanner staging, terminology matters.

ok well then fuck tanner stages im just close to finishing puberty ig if thats what u wanna call it

 

[Syna]

mk677 duration is longer than ghrps fuck ghrps nigga


i dont know because if i deadass drop gh i have so much more money for tren test and var and all that shit and needles too, if i include gh its very inexpensive for a mild benefit that could have been achieved with megadose mk677 like 75mg-100mg according to ur weight

look for his post, he pretty much explains it all.

 

[atrophicpyra]

still a secretagogue

ik obv

look for his post, he pretty much explains it all.

i saw it

but its still extremely money innefficent, people forget or realize in those studies they r completely funded by the government and it takes millions heck maybe even hundreds of millions to conclude those tests and get quality gh, (btw the quality of gh matters ALOT)

who here name ONE person who can afford even a year of 10-12 iu gh thats actual decent quality?

 

[Syna]

ok well then fuck tanner stages im just close to finishing puberty ig if thats what u wanna call it

finishing growth*

 

[Syna]

ik obv

i saw it

but its still extremely money innefficent, people forget or realize in those studies they r completely funded by the government and it takes millions heck maybe even hundreds of millions ot conclude those tests and get quality gh, (btw the quality of gh matters ALOT)

who here name ONE person who can afford even a year of 10-12 iu gh thats actual decent quality?

i can name a ton, you're just a poorcel, get to work instead of doing mental gymnastics, and check fent heightmaxxing 202 guide.

 

[atrophicpyra]

i can name a ton, you're just a poorcel, get to work instead of doing mental gymnastics, and check fent heightmaxxing 202 guide.

ok yk what @ me on the thread ill reread it i alr saww that graph that showed increased fph with ghrp and hgh


also let me tell you what affording a year of gh is


50 days of 10 ius of gh of wwb gh(worst quality gh) is around a month and 20 days which equals $190

7x50 is around a year aka 350 days

7x190 is 1330 dollars

who the fuck is 15 yrs old or heck 16 yrs old and can afford 1330 bucks of gh?

 

[Syna]

ok yk what @ me on the thread ill reread it i alr saww that graph that showed increased fph with ghrp and hgh


also let me tell you what affording a year of gh is


50 days of 10 ius of gh of wwb gh(worst quality gh) is around a month and 20 days which equals $190

7x50 is around a year aka 350 days

7x190 is 1330 dollars

who the fuck is 15 yrs old or heck 16 yrs old and can afford 1330 bucks of gh?

people that work.

 

[atrophicpyra]

people that work.

240 bucks a week on mcdonalds if u work only on weekends

you would need like 2 months of working to get enough money for gh

 

[Syna]

240 bucks a week on mcdonalds if u work only on weekends

you would need like 2 months of working to get enough money for gh

Well, the money is a you problem tbh.

 

[atrophicpyra]

Well, the money is a you problem tbh.

oh my goodness nigga

CAN ANYTHING BE ORAL

 

[Syna]

oh my goodness nigga

CAN ANYTHING BE ORAL

yes my cock

 

[MirinZygos]

so i looked into this DEEP, it turns somebody like me who is around 70kg would produce around 8.9ius of gh this is signficantly alot more than what most ppl produce but i got the calculation through this

prepubertal children produce aproximatly 20ug/kg per day and produce 2x that during the peal of puberty which is 40ug per kg per day,
since im 70kg thats 70 x 40 = 2,800 or 2.8mg which is around 8.9 ius

but heres what i mean by this is massively subjective it matters abt which tanner stage ur in and how much ius ur taking per day, if ur taking around 8 ius per day and u weigh 70kg, thats lower than the amount u produce during peak puberty however this could actually increase fph when taken with ai if ur around late tanner stage 4 when igf1 receptors r less responsive to igf1 and estrogen increases, ur igf1 levels also start to decrease so the 8 ius per day could potentially increase fph even though ur further in puberty

so what does this mean for me?; im at around tanner stage 4 right now which is the perfect time to use ai since estrogen is climbing to close growth plates, which is why im doing 6.25mg-8.35mg ed, this also means that im preventing gh to igf1 receptor unresponsiveness due to the increase of estrogen that im preventing through ai

i have also found countless studies where kids using a 0.5mg/kg/day dose and experienced a lower fph and even one where it was 0.9mg/kg/day and they also had a lower fph of 1.2CM(or maybe inches i dont remember) which puts us at risk of dosing our gh wrong, this leads us to either

A. use extremely high gh doses like 10 or 12 at 70kg for ex with an ai to keep gh-igf1 receptor sensitivity and prevent plate closure which is very money inefficent bec keep in mind u need to run this gh dose for YEARS to even achieve an acclerated fph or...

B. use a growth hormone secragouge like mk677 which is more efficent with an ai to keep gh-igf1 receptor sensitivty and prevent plate closure.

i prefer B. because im in the upper percantile of height for my age at around the 70 percentile.(around 5'10 at 15) what this means is that my pituitary is probably producing more than enough gh and gh isnt needed nor benefical at all but rather riskier bec it could decrease my fph, unlike mk677.

has mk677 shown to increase fph in studies? NO not as much gh atleast, but it is the closest affordable gh enhancer with the least risk and could be amplified through mifepristone or anticatabolic steroids. ( and possibly hdaci)

Retard retard retard retard retard

 

[birthdefect]

so i looked into this DEEP, it turns somebody like me who is around 70kg would produce around 8.9ius of gh this is signficantly alot more than what most ppl produce but i got the calculation through this

prepubertal children produce aproximatly 20ug/kg per day and produce 2x that during the peal of puberty which is 40ug per kg per day,
since im 70kg thats 70 x 40 = 2,800 or 2.8mg which is around 8.9 ius

but heres what i mean by this is massively subjective it matters abt which tanner stage ur in and how much ius ur taking per day, if ur taking around 8 ius per day and u weigh 70kg, thats lower than the amount u produce during peak puberty however this could actually increase fph when taken with ai if ur around late tanner stage 4 when igf1 receptors r less responsive to igf1 and estrogen increases, ur igf1 levels also start to decrease so the 8 ius per day could potentially increase fph even though ur further in puberty

so what does this mean for me?; im at around tanner stage 4 right now which is the perfect time to use ai since estrogen is climbing to close growth plates, which is why im doing 6.25mg-8.35mg ed, this also means that im preventing gh to igf1 receptor unresponsiveness due to the increase of estrogen that im preventing through ai

i have also found countless studies where kids using a 0.5mg/kg/day dose and experienced a lower fph and even one where it was 0.9mg/kg/day and they also had a lower fph of 1.2CM(or maybe inches i dont remember) which puts us at risk of dosing our gh wrong, this leads us to either

A. use extremely high gh doses like 10 or 12 at 70kg for ex with an ai to keep gh-igf1 receptor sensitivity and prevent plate closure which is very money inefficent bec keep in mind u need to run this gh dose for YEARS to even achieve an acclerated fph or...

B. use a growth hormone secragouge like mk677 which is more efficent with an ai to keep gh-igf1 receptor sensitivty and prevent plate closure.

i prefer B. because im in the upper percantile of height for my age at around the 70 percentile.(around 5'10 at 15) what this means is that my pituitary is probably producing more than enough gh and gh isnt needed nor benefical at all but rather riskier bec it could decrease my fph, unlike mk677.

has mk677 shown to increase fph in studies? NO not as much gh atleast, but it is the closest affordable gh enhancer with the least risk and could be amplified through mifepristone or anticatabolic steroids. ( and possibly hdaci)

is high dose secretagogues really the method? fucking hell im so happy i cant find a gh source in australia