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Crebinostat: An informational piece on HDAC inhibitors

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Crebinostat is a novel HDAC inhibitor, capable of upregulating gene transcription within the brain via selective inhibition of various class I and II HDACs (see study 1). This indirectly increases gene transcription/expression within the brain, potentially yielding positive effects on overall cognition via an improvement on memory and neuroplasticity.

What even is an HDAC? (How HDACs work and the benefits of their inhibition):
HDACs (histone deacetylases) are enzymes primarily responsible for reducing gene expression/transcription indirectly. This process involves the removal of an acetyl group (deacetylation) from histones (basic proteins) which are bound to the DNA. This removal of the acetyl group allows the histones to bind more tightly to the DNA, physically blocking other proteins, namely transcription factors and RNA polymerase, from binding to said DNA and carrying out transcription. Basically, HDACS cause regulatory proteins (histones) to become more tightly bound to DNA, preventing other proteins (transcription factors) from binding to said DNA and carrying out gene transcription. By inhibiting HDACs, you're able to do the inverse; increase gene transcription and thus expression (study 2).

Potential Use of Crebinostat:
This drug has shown particular efficacy with increasing transcription activity attributed to the CREB transcription factor (study 1), which is linked with increased neuroplasticity, neural development, cell differentiation, and cell longevity (study 3). This aligns with the primary effects seen in vitro and in mice (study 1). However, this drug remains experimental, with virtually 0 human testing and no known practical dosage. It's safe to assume that, like most neurotrophic agents, this compound would primarily affect neuro and synaptogenesis within the hippocampus, mainly facilitating memory formation and emotional regulation.

Papers used:
1. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22771460/
2. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23294310/
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https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3691692/

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Thanks for reading, I hope you found this topic as interesting as I did. This drug is still highly experimental, so it may not be as practical as other compounds out there. Additionally, I'm no doctor so please do your own research!! Lastly, to answer your question, birthdefect birthdefect, I personally think NSI-189 mogs simply because of the human testing and more abundant literature surrounding it. However, NSI and Crebinostat work through different mechanisms, with NSI increasing the secretion of growth factors, while Crebinostat functions to make growth factors more effective via HDAC inhibition (there's a lot more nuance here). From my understanding, I theorize that they might even have synergy, with one making transcription easier (via HDAC inhibition), while the other increases secretion of relevant growth factors.
 

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appreciate the effort, i believe the one you recommended combined with this and microdosed psychedelics is how you max out plasticity. combine that with meth to be happy forever fr
forget the rest, meth has it covered. tbh theres prob more effective compounds for neuroplasticity than these niche rcs but the possible synergy between them does have potential.
 

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forget the rest, meth has it covered. tbh theres prob more effective compounds for neuroplasticity than these niche rcs but the possible synergy between them does have potential.
nah i mentioned meth because you could maybe take all that for like 6 months and maybe from the neuroplasticity increase you'll just be methed out forever?? idk how cognitive enhancements work tbh
 

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nah i mentioned meth because you could maybe take all that for like 6 months and maybe from the neuroplasticity increase you'll just be methed out forever?? idk how cognitive enhancements work tbh
lwk dosent sound like itd work like that but only one way to find out i guess 😂. shi would be sick asf
 

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lwk dosent sound like itd work like that but only one way to find out i guess 😂. shi would be sick asf
yea, perhaps if i somehow am able to source these ill try it, hopefully it doesnt make me retarded
you could argue for the opposite effect happening from it as well, since you're exogenously upregulating neurotransmitters while basically amplifying it when you stop the crash is gonna be even harder
 

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yea, perhaps if i somehow am able to source these ill try it, hopefully it doesnt make me retarded
you could argue for the opposite effect happening from it as well, since you're exogenously upregulating neurotransmitters while basically amplifying it when you stop the crash is gonna be even harder
yea tbh i feel like the NSI and creb would js counteract the neurodegenerative effects of the meth, so it could basically be used as harm reduction. Ur prob right tho, the withdrawls from the meth combined with whatever withdrawls the other 2 have would make the crash pretty dogshit.
 

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yea tbh i feel like the NSI and creb would js counteract the neurodegenerative effects of the meth, so it could basically be used as harm reduction. Ur prob right tho, the withdrawls from the meth combined with whatever withdrawls the other 2 have would make the crash pretty dogshit.
i know that with mdma neurodegeneration occurs from it being a strong oxidiser, perhaps meth does the same thing so giga dosing glutathione and vitamin c alongside it might be ideal. it kinda reminds me of osteoporosis treatment, either preventing resorption (anti oxidants here) or promoting formation (nsi creb lsd). i hope someone labratmaxxes and does this because idk where to find a source for any of this
 

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i know that with mdma neurodegeneration occurs from it being a strong oxidiser, perhaps meth does the same thing so giga dosing glutathione and vitamin c alongside it might be ideal. it kinda reminds me of osteoporosis treatment, either preventing resorption (anti oxidants here) or promoting formation (nsi creb lsd). i hope someone labratmaxxes and does this because idk where to find a source for any of this
yeah maybe, methheads should gtfih. tbh most of this stuff could be sourced through telegram but im sure as hell not gonna be the labrat
 

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yeah maybe, methheads should gtfih. tbh most of this stuff could be sourced through telegram but im sure as hell not gonna be the labrat
im in aus, perhaps when my brain is finished developing ill do this but rn im not taking any chances
wait 10 years fr
also getting drugs in aus is near impossible unless you buy in person or on snap, and all dealers are super local and untrustworthy
 

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im in aus, perhaps when my brain is finished developing ill do this but rn im not taking any chances
wait 10 years fr
also getting drugs in aus is near impossible unless you buy in person or on snap, and all dealers are super local and untrustworthy
nah tbh the next roper in this forum should js sacrifice their life to science and try it 😂 def more constructive than going er or wtv
 

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nah tbh the next roper in this forum should js sacrifice their life to science and try it 😂 def more constructive than going er or wtv
yea, also do my theory in massively increasing bone remodelling as much as possible to remodel the face with headgear
 

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sounds interesting tbh, maybe make a thread so they got clear instructions
idk how you would actually increase remodelling enough to do that, my theory was romosozumab to increase formation and then continous exposure to pth analogues which leads to crazy bone resorption. it might resorb bone too much
 

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idk how you would actually increase remodelling enough to do that, my theory was romosozumab to increase formation and then continous exposure to pth analogues which leads to crazy bone resorption. it might resorb bone too much
my first thought would be to maybe run some sort of androgen to prevent the resorption, or maybe js do a cycle/conservative dose of the pth analogue to mitigate the sides. remodeling is def possible though, as seen with palate expanders and other appliances like the herbst appliance.
 

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my first thought would be to maybe run some sort of androgen to prevent the resorption, or maybe js do a cycle/conservative dose of the pth analogue to mitigate the sides. remodeling is def possible though, as seen with palate expanders and other appliances like the herbst appliance.
true but im talking some fast fucking remodelling, like omega fast
change your whole face in 6 months kinda shit. perhaps continous pth exposure as a very potent resorptive and both sclerostin and dkk1 inhibition simultaneously
 

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true but im talking some fast fucking remodelling, like omega fast
change your whole face in 6 months kinda shit. perhaps continous pth exposure as a very potent resorptive and both sclerostin and dkk1 inhibition simultaneously
yea lwk i could see there being some promising synergy with remusomab mitigating the sides (ie. resorption) of a pth analogue. could even add smth like gh to increase igf-1 and further speed up remodeling. :highiq:
 
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