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[notaehw]

Would like some help while I enjoy my mother’s day brunch

Before I continue doing my own research,

I’m looking for threads, and exposure to things I haven’t considered, on the topic of limiting factors that can influence whether bones change toward the direction of the best aesthetic outcome.

Heavy on the towards, basically i’m trying to figure out how to optimize the shape modeling creates, avoid what causes asymmetricy, etc.

Is this just the beauty quadrant? Is the beauty quadrant even right? What are the other factors? How much of this is unchangeable genetics?

I need to lock this in before looking into optimizing the amount of bone.

 

[Razi]

Dnr botb is called that for a reason check it out

 

[FS51]

Would like some help while I enjoy my mother’s day brunch

Before I continue doing my own research,

I’m looking for threads, and exposure to things I haven’t considered, on the topic of limiting factors that can influence whether bones change toward the direction of the best aesthetic outcome.

Heavy on the towards, basically i’m trying to figure out how to optimize the shape modeling creates, avoid what causes asymmetricy, etc.

Is this just the beauty quadrant? Is the beauty quadrant even right? What are the other factors? How much of this is unchangeable genetics?

I need to lock this in before looking into optimizing the amount of bone.

Read the best of the best on here and on . Org

 

[zsy]

Would like some help while I enjoy my mother’s day brunch

Before I continue doing my own research,

I’m looking for threads, and exposure to things I haven’t considered, on the topic of limiting factors that can influence whether bones change toward the direction of the best aesthetic outcome.

Heavy on the towards, basically i’m trying to figure out how to optimize the shape modeling creates, avoid what causes asymmetricy, etc.

Is this just the beauty quadrant? Is the beauty quadrant even right? What are the other factors? How much of this is unchangeable genetics?

I need to lock this in before looking into optimizing the amount of bone.

masai jumps is answer for anything bone growth anything just try it your gain extra height

 

[notaehw]

Dnr botb is called that for a reason check it out

The 12 botb threads on gg have nothing to do with what i’m asking for

 

[tmpll]

Read the best of the best on here and on . Org

yo your back???

 

[tmpll]

The 12 botb threads on gg have nothing to do with what i’m asking for

org botb

 

[FS51]

yo your back???

Exams start tommorow and I was bored so I’ve been using a lil

 

[Syna]

it's all bs, implants and surgery are the way.

 

[notaehw]

it's all bs, implants and surgery are the way.

can ass’s and other compounds not cause bone change like apposition? If yes can then y not optimize your body for the direction it changes.
Not only this but what about changes that happen in development. Mandible change is active for quite a while in comparison to the rest of the facial bones.
An example of a bone change that can be optimized directionally is condylar adaptation through chewing, you want to have a correct bite along with other factors before hard chewing, otherwise it can worsen what’s already there.

 

[Syna]

can ass’s and other compounds not cause bone change like apposition? If yes can then y not optimize your body for the direction it changes.
Not only this but what about changes that happen in development. Mandible change is active for quite a while in comparison to the rest of the facial bones.
An example of a bone change that can be optimized directionally is condylar adaptation through chewing, you want to have a correct bite along with other factors before hard chewing, otherwise it can worsen what’s already there.

I mean yeah. a circulating hormone like test is a main driver of cortical expansion and periosteal apposition(most important form of bone modeling) cause the signal reaches deeply and broadly the periosteum, id say test and tren are the main ones that could have some effect, (and also the only ones id personally use) besides that? well, there's a chance they might enhance other AR sensitive zones of your facial bones, but generally for the results most people look for roids simply don't cut it for the most people, it can work but take it with a grain of salt and check on what you're expecting to get of roids, they can help facially to some degree, but they're not gonna give you implant/filler like results, not even close.

I'd also keep this info in mind :

 

[notaehw]

I'd also keep this info in mind :

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I personally don’t plan on roids atm but with the effect they can have, even if it doesn’t cut it for most people, makes me wonder about other compounds, and also the effect of your hormone levels on your final development. bc hormones are affected through lots of different things.
Not like i expect a major change I still think it’s valuable to maximize the potential that’s there even if small.

I feel there is reason for me to look into factors that can influence whether bones change toward the direction of the best aesthetic outcome.
If it has a minimal effect regarding bones it should tell me a lot about what optimal body functionality is like anyway

 

[Syna]

I personally don’t plan on roids atm but with the effect they can have, even if it doesn’t cut it for most people, makes me wonder about other compounds, and also the effect of your hormone levels on your final development. bc hormones are affected through lots of different things.
Not like i expect a major change I still think it’s valuable to maximize the potential that’s there even if small.

I feel there is reason for me to look into factors that can influence whether bones change toward the direction of the best aesthetic outcome.
If it has a minimal effect regarding bones it should tell me a lot about what optimal body functionality is like anyway

What you're looking for is a meme, hope this helps, and "going the natural route" is bs unless you're already chad.

 

[notaehw]

What you're looking for is a meme, hope this helps, and "going the natural route" is bs unless you're already chad.

said i didn’t plan on it atm, and no im willing to sacrifice lots to change.

When i say, look into factors that can influence whether bones change toward the direction of the best aesthetic outcome.

I have roids in mind, if you are going try and influence modeling shouldn’t you optimize the direction/shape of the modeling? If something like posture (which idk) effects the change why not optimize all factors like it ykwim

 

[Syna]

said i didn’t plan on it atm, and no im willing to sacrifice lots to change.

When i say, look into factors that can influence whether bones change toward the direction of the best aesthetic outcome.

I have roids in mind, if you are going try and influence modeling shouldn’t you optimize the direction/shape of the modeling? If something like posture (which idk) effects the change why not optimize all factors like it ykwim

you can't control it, it aint filler or implants .

 

[notaehw]

you can't control it, it aint filler or implants .

So no non uncontrollable genetic factors influence the direction bone changes in.

 

[Syna]

So no non uncontrollable genetic factors influence the direction bone changes in.

fuck are you even talking about? the way bone grows is pretty much mostly genetic, so no, thumpulling or whatever you're thinking about wont change the shape or direction your bones grow.

 

[notaehw]

fuck are you even talking about? the way bone grows is pretty much mostly genetic, so no, thumpulling or whatever you're thinking about wont change the shape or direction your bones grow.

Wasn’t hinting at thumbpulling lol
I guess I wasn’t making it obvious.

Orthodontics
What you chew
Myofunction
Head posture

Are all factors that are controllable, that influence the direction bone changes in.

 

[Syna]

Wasn’t hinting at thumbpulling lol
I guess wasn’t making it obvious.

Orthodontics
What you chew
Myofunction
Head posture

are all factors that are controllable, that influence the direction bone changes in

all are insane bs, besides orthodontics.

 

[notaehw]

all are insane bs, besides orthodontics.

Insane bs?

chewing is not bs, it can change mandible morphology even if slightly
Haven’t looked into it but is head posture not a plausible indirect factor.

Ig myofunction is only relevant to some people cause tongue posture can effect orthodontic results, if the tongue rests low or between the teeth, it can reopen an open bite. But ofc that’s not relevant for most people.

 

[notaehw]

all are insane bs, besides orthodontics.

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[Syna]

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As always in vitro slop , just because a tiny piece of embryonic or adolescent rat cartilage in a fucking petri dish increases proliferative activity under "0.5g of force" doesn't mean an human adult can replicate that all, your facial bones are not in the same conditions as in a lab experiment like that, and there are ton of uncontrolled variables, you can't extrapolate none of that cause of the vast difference of the conditions between one and another.

The study you mentioned noted that "mastication forces stimulating type X collagen synthesis and bone deposition." you're confusing bone modeling and bone remodeling, bone remodeling only affects BMD (bone mineral density), it doesn't change the outer shape of the bone just the density.

Then there's the "persistence of hypertrophic cartilage into the third decade of life 20s-30s" The paper you quoted notes that the "residual cartilage" is used mostly for the maintenance and repair of the bone, yes maintenance and repair , it's not a primary factor to create vertical or horizontal bone lengthening also, by the third decade, the "growth" described is microscopic and insufficient to change facial aesthetics in the way you're expecting, also the cartilage found in adult TMJs is fibrocartilage, not the hyaline cartilage that is found in childhood growth plates, fibrocartilage is literally only used for repairing bone, not for remodeling the shape of the whole structure as it lacks zones of ranvier.

"The former is occlusal force, and its major influence on the skull is to shear the maxilla upward and the mandible downward." this is absolute bs, you cant just use specific "chewing pattern" or "tongue posture" and stupid bs like that to "push" the maxilla forward, that's literally pure bs if anything, the human skull is not a collection of fucking loose lego brick that you can just "re position with mastication forces", also, again the stuff mentioned in the study refers to mechanical stress during the act of biting, FYI, these forces are neutralized by the OWN sutures of the skull and the massive strength of the masseter and temporal muscles.

 

[FoidSlayer]

As always in vitro slop , just because a tiny piece of embryonic or adolescent rat cartilage in a fucking petri dish increases proliferative activity under "0.5g of force" doesn't mean an human adult can replicate that all, your facial bones are not in the same conditions as in a lab experiment like that, and there are ton of uncontrolled variables, you can't extrapolate none of that cause of the vast difference of the conditions between one and another.

The study you mentioned noted that "mastication forces stimulating type X collagen synthesis and bone deposition." you're confusing bone modeling and bone remodeling, bone remodeling only affects BMD (bone mineral density), it doesn't change the outer shape of the bone just the density.

Then there's the "persistence of hypertrophic cartilage into the third decade of life 20s-30s" The paper you quoted notes that the "residual cartilage" is used mostly for the maintenance and repair of the bone, yes maintenance and repair , it's not a primary factor to create vertical or horizontal bone lengthening also, by the third decade, the "growth" described is microscopic and insufficient to change facial aesthetics in the way you're expecting, also the cartilage found in adult TMJs is fibrocartilage, not the hyaline cartilage that is found in childhood growth plates, fibrocartilage is literally only used for repairing bone, not for remodeling the shape of the whole structure as it lacks zones of ranvier.

"The former is occlusal force, and its major influence on the skull is to shear the maxilla upward and the mandible downward." this is absolute bs, you cant just use specific "chewing pattern" or "tongue posture" and stupid bs like that to "push" the maxilla forward, that's literally pure bs if anything, the human skull is not a collection of fucking loose lego brick that you can just "re position with mastication forces", also, again the stuff mentioned in the study refers to mechanical stress during the act of biting, FYI, these forces are neutralized by the OWN sutures of the skull and the massive strength of the masseter and temporal muscles.

Dnr

 

[Syna]

Dnr

kys Lewy.

 

[FoidSlayer]

kys Lewy.

It's just my way of mirin you, I don't wanna glaze you

 

[Syna]

MedSlayer PrettyBoyMaxxing Dexter

 

[FoidSlayer]

MedSlayer PrettyBoyMaxxing Dexter

What is op arguing?

 

[Syna]

What is op arguing?

Jester patel nonsense and slop about how to "control and re direct bonegrowth"

 

[FoidSlayer]

Jester patel nonsense and slop about how to "control and re direct bonegrowth"

Bro all the craniofacial growth is like 90% complete by our age

 

[Syna]

Bro all the craniofacial growth is like 90% complete by our age

yeah ik, i tagged MedSlayer cuz ts is what he was talking about a long time ago.

 

[MedSlayer]

MedSlayer PrettyBoyMaxxing Dexter

Autodelete any guide made by this user
Epigenetics do play a role in devellopment but genetics are law no amount of external variable will turn you into a chad
Hardmaxxing is the way

 

[MedSlayer]

I mean yeah. a circulating hormone like test is a main driver of cortical expansion and periosteal apposition(most important form of bone modeling) cause the signal reaches deeply and broadly the periosteum, id say test and tren are the main ones that could have some effect, (and also the only ones id personally use) besides that? well, there's a chance they might enhance other AR sensitive zones of your facial bones, but generally for the results most people look for roids simply don't cut it for the most people, it can work but take it with a grain of salt and check on what you're expecting to get of roids, they can help facially to some degree, but they're not gonna give you implant/filler like results, not even close.

I'd also keep this info in mind :

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Over since i was 5

 

[Syna]

Autodelete any guide made by this user
Epigenetics do play a role in devellopment but genetics are law no amount of external variable will turn you into a chad
Hardmaxxing is the way

It's all a battle of dominant and recessive genes, and well, between those you can def still inherit absolute dogshit genes lol.

 

[notaehw]

Autodelete any guide made by this user
Epigenetics do play a role in devellopment but genetics are law no amount of external variable will turn you into a chad
Hardmaxxing is the way

dude im tryna learn

Jester patel nonsense and slop about how to "control and re direct bonegrowth"

yo can you come tell this 2 the guys that r telling me ts

I prolly have been indoctrinated by the osstivia dudes
you can see this from my second post about osstivia.

just join this discord if u wanna call em out or debate them i wanna see it Orka was gonna debunk them but pretty sure he gave up
https://***********craniofacial-research-collective-1171576232786284584


I need to learn how to interpret research better b4 i make any sort of claims, which i have no claims about chewing anymore atm

 

[Syna]

dude im tryna learn

yo can you come tell this 2 the guys that r telling me ts

I prolly have been indoctrinated by the osstivia dudes
you can see this from my second post about osstivia.

just join this discord if u wanna call em out or debate them i wanna see it Orka was gonna debunk them but pretty sure he gave up
https://***********craniofacial-research-collective-1171576232786284584


I need to learn how to interpret research better b4 i make any sort of claims, which i have no claims about chewing anymore atm

I'll see what i can do after i finish exams.

 

[notaehw]

I'll see what i can do after i finish exams.

alr bet it would be fun to watch

 

[PrettyBoyMaxxing]

Would like some help while I enjoy my mother’s day brunch

Before I continue doing my own research,

I’m looking for threads, and exposure to things I haven’t considered, on the topic of limiting factors that can influence whether bones change toward the direction of the best aesthetic outcome.

Heavy on the towards, basically i’m trying to figure out how to optimize the shape modeling creates, avoid what causes asymmetricy, etc.

Is this just the beauty quadrant? Is the beauty quadrant even right? What are the other factors? How much of this is unchangeable genetics?

I need to lock this in before looking into optimizing the amount of bone.

the fuck are you yapping about, I doubt your face looks shit because of bone size/position, you're most likely a child who hasn't gone through the regular tissue changes

 

[notaehw]

I'll see what i can do after i finish exams.

Aren’t exams over in like a week? Also im not trying to make claims with no basis, it just helpful to figure out things through discourse like this. Although doing deep research would be a lot better, this mogs for dopamine.

 

[notaehw]

the fuck are you yapping about, I doubt your face looks shit because of bone size/position, you're most likely a child who hasn't gone through the regular tissue changes

duude I should’ve made my question a lot clearer

 

[PrettyBoyMaxxing]

duude I should’ve made my question a lot clearer

so make it clearer, I'm filling out some papers so sorry if it flew over my head

 

[notaehw]

so make it clearer, I'm filling out some papers so sorry if it flew over my head

it’s alr maybe later, lil busy. i think syna kind of got it but he also thought I implied forward growth of the maxilla from chewing so idk.

 

[notaehw]

so make it clearer, I'm filling out some papers so sorry if it flew over my head

Here

Basically I was thinking before influencing bone growth with compounds, or wanting bone modeling at all, I was like the bone gotta change in the right direction.

And then I was like hold up posture influences that right, whatabout chewing? and i here bs about fascia doing this all the time, there’s definitely some limiting factors that restrict the direction your bone grows in.. so Ima research this and figure out the truth

then I posted this to see threads that already existed on this topic cause I couldn’t find any

 

[PrettyBoyMaxxing]

Here

Basically I was thinking before influencing bone growth with compounds, or wanting bone modeling at all, I was like the bone gotta change in the right direction.

And then I was like hold up posture influences that right, whatabout chewing? and i here bs about fascia doing this all the time, there’s definitely some limiting factors that restrict the direction your bone grows in.. so Ima research this and figure out the truth

then I posted this to see threads that already existed on this topic cause I couldn’t find any

well to sum it up, the chewing you brought up will only change masseters to noticeable extent, though it can look like modeling/growth. Your tissue will reposition on a small scale which many confuse for remodeling, and the same applies for other areas on a much smaller scale.

 

[notaehw]

well to sum it up, the chewing you brought up will only change masseters to noticeable extent, though it can look like modeling/growth. Your tissue will reposition on a small scale which many confuse for remodeling, and the same applies for other areas on a much smaller scale.

Ya, everything I’ve seen so far basically points to this. But I gotta do my own research sometime and find it out for myself.

 

[FS51]

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May 2026 btw