Serious A Nietzschean Antithesis to the Modern Idea of Looksmaxxing (1 Viewer)

[Razi]

Saving your rep to post ratio

Love u bro we reaching 10k today fr

 

[Razi]

Chuck Yeager lowk make a paper counter looksmaxxing you will he called that anti bpler hard ass name

 

[Chuck Yeager]

Chuck Yeager lowk make a paper counter looksmaxxing you will he called that anti bpler hard ass name

u can just do this with perspectivism
nietzsche spoke of this (unironically)

 

[Razi]

u can just do this with perspectivism
nietzsche spoke of this (unironically)

He did speak I gotta read the big N fr

 

[Chuck Yeager]

He did speak I gotta read the big N fr

"There is only a seeing from a perspective, only a "knowing" from a perspective"
Nietzsche, Friedrich. On the Genealogy of Morality

 

[Razi]

"There is only a seeing from a perspective, only a "knowing" from a perspective"
Nietzsche, Friedrich. On the Genealogy of Morality

My brain used to analytic that I can’t with these quotes anymore I might read some secondary texts first
You recommend any?

 

[Chuck Yeager]

My brain used to analytic that I can’t with these quotes anymore I might read some secondary texts first
You recommend any?

Nietzsche On Morality by Brian Leiter

 

[Razi]

Nietzsche On Morality by Brian Leiter

Aight bae thank u

 

[Floonth]

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Spoiler: Intro: Looksmaxxing as False Empowerment Under Nietzschean Philosophy

Looksmaxxing aims to improve individuals by allowing them to have more confidence, status, and even success in their lives. Looksmaxxing encourages individuals to seek out the definition of beauty and to work to gain the approval that comes with meeting such standards. However, Friedrich Nietzsche’s philosophy works against these claims of looksmaxxing. Nietzsche’s idea of herd morality, the will to power, and the concept of self-overcoming can all work as arguments against the idea of looksmaxxing as a genuine form of self-improvement. Looksmaxxing appears to promote dependence on external validation and a desire for herd conformity. Instead of encouraging individuals to improve themselves, looksmaxxing promotes shallow and misguided behaviors. Looksmaxxing fails on Nietzschean grounds due to its promotion of herd conformity, its misrepresentation of power, its reactive nature, and its avoidance of self-creation altogether.

Spoiler: Herd Mentality and the Conformity of Beauty Standards

Looksmaxxing suggests that individuals can improve themselves by conforming to established beauty standards in society. However, Nietzsche believes in the dangers of herd conformity in terms of morality. Premise 1: According to Nietzsche, herd morality arises when individuals adopt the values of others rather than creating their own. Premise 2: Looksmaxxing requires individuals to change themselves according to a standard that others have created for beauty. Premise 3: Therefore, looksmaxxing depends upon herd values instead of the creation of individual values. Nietzsche believes in the dangers of herd conformity in terms of individual morality. He states in On the Genealogy of Morality, that “the individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe” (78). This means that individuals must maintain their own individuality in contrast with the crowd and its demands upon them. Those who practice looksmaxxing allow themselves to be defined by others and to conform to the desires of a crowd in terms of the ideal attributes of an individual. Conclusion: Therefore, looksmaxxing leads to an inability of the individual to create their own values and characteristics of self-improvement. This alone provides strong grounds for criticizing looksmaxxing within a Nietzschean framework.

Spoiler: Slave Morality vs. Master Morality: the Reactive Nature of Looksmaxxing

Looksmaxxing can also be critiqued through Nietzsche’s concept of master and slave morality, as looksmaxxing appears to be based upon a reactive rather than independent concept of valued outcomes. Premise 1: slave morality is reactive and forms its values in opposition to what it perceives as powerful or dominant. Premise 2: master morality creates its values independently, without defining itself in opposition to others. Premise 3: looksmaxxing appears to be based upon individuals who create their ideas of valued outcomes in opposition to others who are thought to be more attractive than themselves. Premise 4: Therefore, looksmaxxing is based upon slave morality rather than master morality. Nietzsche discusses in On the Genealogy of Morality, that “slave morality…says ‘no’ on principle to everything that is ‘outside,’ ‘other,’ ‘non-self’” (36). In other words, slave morality is built against the concept of what is in opposition to the self. Thus, looksmaxxing appears to build its concept of valued outcomes against others, instead of building its own concept of those outcomes independent of others. Therefore, looksmaxxing does reflect elements of slave morality. In this way, looksmaxxing instead reflects a concept of dependence upon others rather than a self-affirming concept of master morality.

Spoiler: The Misinterpretation of the Will to Power as External Validation

The idea behind looksmaxxing assumes that gaining validation and status through one’s appearance is a sign of power. However, Nietzsche’s discussion of the will to power indicates that this is a misunderstanding. The first premise is that the will to power is a drive towards self-mastery and the creation of one’s own values. The second premise is that to gain genuine power, one has to be independent of others. The third premise is that looksmaxxing is done to gain the validation, status, and approval of others. The fourth premise is therefore that looksmaxxing is dependent on external validation and does not indicate genuine power. In Thus Spoke Zarathustra, Nietzsche says, “You say ‘I am free,’ and yet your ruling thought and value still come from others” (114). This quotation means that a person cannot be free if they are dictated to by others. Looksmaxxers may feel that they have control of their lives, but they are instead controlled by the preferences of others in society. This point helps to support the criticism of looksmaxxing. The conclusion is therefore that the idea that looksmaxxing will increase an individual’s power or status is flawed. Looksmaxxing causes dependence on others.

Spoiler: The Failure of Self-Overcoming in Superficial Self-Optimization

Finally, the idea behind looksmaxxing also assumes that focusing on external optimization will lead to meaningful personal development. However, Nietzsche’s idea of self-overcoming suggests that this is a superficial notion of personal growth. The first premise is that self-overcoming involves significant internal transformation and creating new values within oneself. The second premise is that genuine personal growth involves overcoming internal struggles and developing as an individual. The third premise is that looksmaxxing fails to focus on the internal development of an individual. The fourth premise is therefore that looksmaxxing neglects the process of self-overcoming. In Beyond Good and Evil, Nietzsche writes, “One must still have chaos in oneself to be able to give birth to a dancing star” (146). This quote indicates that genuine personal growth involves going through internal struggles. The idea of looksmaxxing, however, ignores this process. This supports the argument that looksmaxxing is mistaken in the belief that it will lead to genuine self-improvement. Instead, it distracts from the process of self-overcoming.

Spoiler: Looksmaxxing as Weakness, Dependence, and the Denial of Self-Creation

Despite the promises of looksmaxxing, a Nietzschean critique of the concept reveals that looksmaxxing fails to deliver on the promises it makes to those who pursue it. The concept of maximizing one’s physical features requires individuals to conform to the beauty standards constructed by society. Furthermore, the focus on receiving validation and status from others reflects a misunderstanding of the will to power. Additionally, the concept’s focus on the importance of one’s physical features indicates a neglect of the deeper concept of self-overcoming. Each of these criticisms, rooted in the ideas presented by Nietzsche, demonstrate that looksmaxxing is a concept that reflects the weakness of the individual rather than the strength of the self. Looksmaxxing reinforces the expectations of society over challenging them. Lastly, looksmaxxing is a shallow approach to countering the feelings of insecurity that individuals experience in relation to their physical features, preventing them from ever being able to conquer such insecurity.

Spoiler: Citations

Nietzsche, Friedrich. Beyond Good and Evil. Translated by Walter Kaufmann, Vintage Books, 1966.

Nietzsche, Friedrich. On the Genealogy of Morality. Translated by Walter Kaufmann and R. J. Hollingdale, Vintage Books, 1989.

Nietzsche, Friedrich. Thus Spoke Zarathustra. Translated by Walter Kaufmann, Penguin Books, 1978.

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read every molecule, great post. Bump

 

[birthdefect]

dnCr but looksmaxxing is definitely some form of government psyop

jfl if you think the entire internet is anything but a psyop
there is no way to create a bigger vulnerability in society than to create a constant ocean of vulnerabilities

 

[hellokitty]

it's not rly slave morality but it is definitely a conformist thing.
slave morality is when someone says looks don't matter and muh personality matters

 

[Chuck Yeager]

it's not rly slave morality but it is definitely a conformist thing.
slave morality is when someone says looks don't matter and muh personality matters

i got stuck on that part since its not pure slave morality but its not master morality either
reactive conformist behavior that emerges from slave morality (?), which then turns into submission to external values

 

[hellokitty]

i got stuck on that part since its not pure slave morality but its not master morality either
reactive conformist behavior that emerges from slave morality (?), which then turns into submission to external values

even if you consume external values it doesn't mean you consume slave morality bruh
external values are sometimes good and aristocratic, and your internal values that you made up can be just slave morality (it depends on society tbh in ancient rome before christianity there was no slave morality and people valued looks a lot, but they didn't value modern looksmaxxing standards ofc and I doubt that they would like it)

 

[Hexum]

Dedicated to cykus and his ND ramblings, along with pyruuuuu, both for giving me this shitty idea.

FoidSlayer Synapse sensitive sapphire Godveil Heir y'all greypilled ass retards aint shit, swear on my baby mama
Shoutout 2 the big homies TOBpPOPE dior T Tbone Gokkurt 1 10Tails Cheeky Cidzer Floonth GigaChud271 Rockus lucius teal o algo (dior u fat af)

Thread music:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMztOcYgtLI&pp=ygUNaSBhbSBuaWV0emNoZQ%3D%3D

Spoiler: Intro: Looksmaxxing as False Empowerment Under Nietzschean Philosophy

Looksmaxxing aims to improve individuals by allowing them to have more confidence, status, and even success in their lives. Looksmaxxing encourages individuals to seek out the definition of beauty and to work to gain the approval that comes with meeting such standards. However, Friedrich Nietzsche’s philosophy works against these claims of looksmaxxing. Nietzsche’s idea of herd morality, the will to power, and the concept of self-overcoming can all work as arguments against the idea of looksmaxxing as a genuine form of self-improvement. Looksmaxxing appears to promote dependence on external validation and a desire for herd conformity. Instead of encouraging individuals to improve themselves, looksmaxxing promotes shallow and misguided behaviors. Looksmaxxing fails on Nietzschean grounds due to its promotion of herd conformity, its misrepresentation of power, its reactive nature, and its avoidance of self-creation altogether.

Spoiler: Herd Mentality and the Conformity of Beauty Standards

Looksmaxxing suggests that individuals can improve themselves by conforming to established beauty standards in society. However, Nietzsche believes in the dangers of herd conformity in terms of morality. Premise 1: According to Nietzsche, herd morality arises when individuals adopt the values of others rather than creating their own. Premise 2: Looksmaxxing requires individuals to change themselves according to a standard that others have created for beauty. Premise 3: Therefore, looksmaxxing depends upon herd values instead of the creation of individual values. Nietzsche believes in the dangers of herd conformity in terms of individual morality. He states in On the Genealogy of Morality, that “the individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe” (78). This means that individuals must maintain their own individuality in contrast with the crowd and its demands upon them. Those who practice looksmaxxing allow themselves to be defined by others and to conform to the desires of a crowd in terms of the ideal attributes of an individual. Conclusion: Therefore, looksmaxxing leads to an inability of the individual to create their own values and characteristics of self-improvement. This alone provides strong grounds for criticizing looksmaxxing within a Nietzschean framework.

Spoiler: Slave Morality vs. Master Morality: the Reactive Nature of Looksmaxxing

Looksmaxxing can also be critiqued through Nietzsche’s concept of master and slave morality, as looksmaxxing appears to be based upon a reactive rather than independent concept of valued outcomes. Premise 1: slave morality is reactive and forms its values in opposition to what it perceives as powerful or dominant. Premise 2: master morality creates its values independently, without defining itself in opposition to others. Premise 3: looksmaxxing appears to be based upon individuals who create their ideas of valued outcomes in opposition to others who are thought to be more attractive than themselves. Premise 4: Therefore, looksmaxxing is based upon slave morality rather than master morality. Nietzsche discusses in On the Genealogy of Morality, that “slave morality…says ‘no’ on principle to everything that is ‘outside,’ ‘other,’ ‘non-self’” (36). In other words, slave morality is built against the concept of what is in opposition to the self. Thus, looksmaxxing appears to build its concept of valued outcomes against others, instead of building its own concept of those outcomes independent of others. Therefore, looksmaxxing does reflect elements of slave morality. In this way, looksmaxxing instead reflects a concept of dependence upon others rather than a self-affirming concept of master morality.

Spoiler: The Misinterpretation of the Will to Power as External Validation

The idea behind looksmaxxing assumes that gaining validation and status through one’s appearance is a sign of power. However, Nietzsche’s discussion of the will to power indicates that this is a misunderstanding. The first premise is that the will to power is a drive towards self-mastery and the creation of one’s own values. The second premise is that to gain genuine power, one has to be independent of others. The third premise is that looksmaxxing is done to gain the validation, status, and approval of others. The fourth premise is therefore that looksmaxxing is dependent on external validation and does not indicate genuine power. In Thus Spoke Zarathustra, Nietzsche says, “You say ‘I am free,’ and yet your ruling thought and value still come from others” (114). This quotation means that a person cannot be free if they are dictated to by others. Looksmaxxers may feel that they have control of their lives, but they are instead controlled by the preferences of others in society. This point helps to support the criticism of looksmaxxing. The conclusion is therefore that the idea that looksmaxxing will increase an individual’s power or status is flawed. Looksmaxxing causes dependence on others.

Spoiler: The Failure of Self-Overcoming in Superficial Self-Optimization

Finally, the idea behind looksmaxxing also assumes that focusing on external optimization will lead to meaningful personal development. However, Nietzsche’s idea of self-overcoming suggests that this is a superficial notion of personal growth. The first premise is that self-overcoming involves significant internal transformation and creating new values within oneself. The second premise is that genuine personal growth involves overcoming internal struggles and developing as an individual. The third premise is that looksmaxxing fails to focus on the internal development of an individual. The fourth premise is therefore that looksmaxxing neglects the process of self-overcoming. In Beyond Good and Evil, Nietzsche writes, “One must still have chaos in oneself to be able to give birth to a dancing star” (146). This quote indicates that genuine personal growth involves going through internal struggles. The idea of looksmaxxing, however, ignores this process. This supports the argument that looksmaxxing is mistaken in the belief that it will lead to genuine self-improvement. Instead, it distracts from the process of self-overcoming.

Spoiler: Looksmaxxing as Weakness, Dependence, and the Denial of Self-Creation

Despite the promises of looksmaxxing, a Nietzschean critique of the concept reveals that looksmaxxing fails to deliver on the promises it makes to those who pursue it. The concept of maximizing one’s physical features requires individuals to conform to the beauty standards constructed by society. Furthermore, the focus on receiving validation and status from others reflects a misunderstanding of the will to power. Additionally, the concept’s focus on the importance of one’s physical features indicates a neglect of the deeper concept of self-overcoming. Each of these criticisms, rooted in the ideas presented by Nietzsche, demonstrate that looksmaxxing is a concept that reflects the weakness of the individual rather than the strength of the self. Looksmaxxing reinforces the expectations of society over challenging them. Lastly, looksmaxxing is a shallow approach to countering the feelings of insecurity that individuals experience in relation to their physical features, preventing them from ever being able to conquer such insecurity.

Spoiler: Citations

Nietzsche, Friedrich. Beyond Good and Evil. Translated by Walter Kaufmann, Vintage Books, 1966.

Nietzsche, Friedrich. On the Genealogy of Morality. Translated by Walter Kaufmann and R. J. Hollingdale, Vintage Books, 1989.

Nietzsche, Friedrich. Thus Spoke Zarathustra. Translated by Walter Kaufmann, Penguin Books, 1978.

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DNR

 

[Chuck Yeager]

even if you consume external values it doesn't mean you consume slave morality bruh
external values are sometimes good and aristocratic, and your internal values that you made up can be just slave morality (it depends on society tbh in ancient rome before christianity there was no slave morality and people valued looks a lot, but they didn't value modern looksmaxxing standards ofc and I doubt that they would like it)

the attitude behind the value n not the value itself

 

[hellokitty]

the attitude behind the value n not the value itself

attitude defines value

 

[hellokitty]

I think looksmaxxing can be called bourgeois morality at this point and nietzsche would call them camels
like you see they are lookmaxxing to get benefits like relationships (so like meritocratic utility) rather than looksmaxxing for pure aethetics (that would be master morality)
nietzsche didn't say there's bourgeois morality ofc but this name suits it more