Venting Tons of conflicting opinions. (4 Viewers)

[sneakyalex7]

I've seen threads that link tons and tons of high quality studies that show androgens don't actually masculinize your frame and face, what actually matters is prenatal hormone exposure. I've also seen the studies showing that your facial bones like your zygos and maxilla are like 95% developed by 14-15. are these numbers misleading and bonemass is not considered much development or what? if these things are true it might be over for softmaxxing other than hair and skin, and its definitely over for pharma other than really hgh and igf-1. But i've also seen other saying that your facial bones don't fully fuse till 25. Idk jfl that there are so many conflicting opinions on this stuff, its making me think that genetics/epigenitics are everything. I used to think that blackpillers who say its all genetics were just coping with the fact they couldn't ascend softmaxxing but i'm starting to think it's true. From what i've seen only surgery, habits since birth, and genetics actually make a difference and are confirmed to. Still, so many anecdotes on pharma, but then again a lot of it could simply be puberty. Idk I guess I'll just keep coping with primal diet.

 

[birthdefect]

I've seen threads that link tons and tons of high quality studies that show androgens don't actually masculinize your frame and face, what actually matters is prenatal hormone exposure. I've also seen the studies showing that your facial bones like your zygos and maxilla are like 95% developed by 14-15. are these numbers misleading and bonemass is not considered much development or what? if these things are true it might be over for softmaxxing other than hair and skin, and its definitely over for pharma other than really hgh and igf-1. But i've also seen other saying that your facial bones don't fully fuse till 25. Idk jfl that there are so many conflicting opinions on this stuff, its making me think that genetics/epigenitics are everything. I used to think that blackpillers who say its all genetics were just coping with the fact they couldn't ascend softmaxxing but i'm starting to think it's true. From what i've seen only surgery, habits since birth, and genetics actually make a difference and are confirmed to. Still, so many anecdotes on pharma, but then again a lot of it could simply be puberty. Idk I guess I'll just keep coping with primal diet.

they absolutely affect frame, doubt anything for face

 

[sneakyalex7]

they absolutely affect frame, doubt anything for face

The thread I read showed that testosterone activates certain pathways which basically lead to quicker bone maturation and growth but not necessarily an actual increase in overall growth. this was based on a reliable study of the scapula not the clavicles though

 

[sneakyalex7]

its fairly safe to assume that if the scapula has neutral/negative effects from testosterone then the clavicles would too but ofc it makes no real logical sense so that's why i'm pretty confused.

 

[birthdefect]

The thread I read showed that testosterone activates certain pathways which basically lead to quicker bone maturation and growth but not necessarily an actual increase in overall growth. this was based on a reliable study of the scapula not the clavicles though

scapular growth is also good so its fine if they focused on that
testosterone on its own wont do much tbh, just get you to where you would end up faster (there are exceptions tho)
combine with arimidex, super low dose var, and gh and you're good

 

[sneakyalex7]

ok thanks, btw do you know any good threads i could read up about this on?

 

[sneakyalex7]

combine with arimidex, super low dose var, and gh and you're good

I am overly tall for my age, I don't think gh would be worth taking, are there alternatives out there that wouldn't make you grow taller

 

[birthdefect]

I am overly tall for my age, I don't think gh would be worth taking, are there alternatives out there that wouldn't make you grow taller

no, and theres no way you're gonna get to like a dangerous height

 

[sneakyalex7]

no, and theres no way you're gonna get to like a dangerous height

really? sorry for so many questions but i'm 6'2 at 14 and i'm late tanner stage 3.

 

[birthdefect]

really? sorry for so many questions but i'm 6'2 at 14 and i'm late tanner stage 3.

fuck you
but nah you'll be fine, as long as growth is proportional theres not gonna be a downside to making it to like 6'5 if you get there

 

[sneakyalex7]

fuck you
but nah you'll be fine, as long as growth is proportional theres not gonna be a downside to making it to like 6'5 if you get there

thanks a lot, and my height is a huge halo, im facially a mtn, but i've had plenty of girls crush on me, ofc i'm super neurodivergent and care more about making my homemade explosives than foids. Last year I had a girl obsessed with me to the point she became a bit parasocial about it, crazy how important height is

 

[sneakyalex7]

also my dad's proportions are mostly torso and my mom has more even proportions so hopefully i'll get the long torso halo but we'll see

 

[birthdefect]

thanks a lot, and my height is a huge halo, im facially a mtn, but i've had plenty of girls crush on me, ofc i'm super neurodivergent and care more about making my homemade explosives than foids. Last year I had a girl obsessed with me to the point she became a bit parasocial about it, crazy how important height is

please rep mesajizz saar

 

[Judenbänker]

I've also seen the studies showing that your facial bones like your zygos and maxilla are like 95% developed by 14-15. are these numbers misleading and bonemass is not considered much development or what?

Accurate.
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