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Im not really good at this but probably ccw bimax (lefort1/mandibular osteotomy like bsso), jaw implants, rhino, maybe zygo implants idk Im not really one to do ratios and stuff just from what I see rn Id say that but Godveil Heir Godveil Heir can probably give better advice and hopefully not rape mine while doing sl
 

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Im not really good at this but probably ccw bimax (lefort1/mandibular osteotomy like bsso), jaw implants, rhino, maybe zygo implants idk Im not really one to do ratios and stuff just from what I see rn Id say that but Godveil Heir Godveil Heir can probably give better advice and hopefully not rape mine while doing sl
surgeries arent everything dude, he could still be somwhere around MTN without them
 

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surgeries arent everything dude, he could still be somwhere around MTN without them
You aint getting to mtn with that mandible and yes surgeriew are everything if you want visible and permanent results uf you think some skincare and neckcurls whatever is gonna ascend you hop off a bridge
MARPE and LJE, train masseter muscle, do skincare, fix CCW rotation, grow out your hair and chew with your premolars
Marpe is a hardmax, "fix ccw rotation" youre advising surgery right here yourself chewing with premolars doesnt work its complete cope
if you do this and still dont look very good get a bimax, rhinoplasty and possibly a double jaw surgery
You literally need to get a bimax for ccw rotation and double jaw surgery is the same as bimax you retarded iqlet never speak up to me again dumbfuck :goslinglaugh:
 

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You aint getting to mtn with that mandible and yes surgeriew are everything if you want visible and permanent results uf you think some skincare and neckcurls whatever is gonna ascend you hop off a bridge

Marpe is a hardmax, "fix ccw rotation" youre advising surgery right here yourself chewing with premolars doesnt work its complete cope

You literally need to get a bimax for ccw rotation and double jaw surgery is the same as bimax you retarded iqlet never speak up to me again dumbfuck :goslinglaugh:
1. surgeries are not everything, a lot of things can be improved by habits when young or still in puberty, training your neck can make your jawline more visible as it tightens the skin around that area but can make you look bad if you over do it.

2. marpe is a hardmaxx which i never claimed it to not be, ccw rotation can be fixed naturally when you are young and is harder to fix when youre a young adult, chewing with premolars maintains jaw alignment and facial structure by distributing biting forces evenly which can fix uneven chewing on one side.

3. i do not know the names and differences of surgeries as i dont intend on getting surgery, therefore i got it wrong and i apoligize for that but your other points are not valid
 

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1. surgeries are not everything, a lot of things can be improved by habits when young or still in puberty, training your neck can make your jawline more visible as it tightens the skin around that area but can make you look bad if you over do it.
You will never ascend past a certain limit with an ltn base without surgeries and there is definetely the need for those here. Telling someone he should concentrate on "habits" or "training your neck" is retarded and just offering bad coverup solutions that dont fix the problems. Noone needs a defined jawline if your bigonial width is as low as the holly killcount
2. marpe is a hardmaxx which i never claimed it to not be, ccw rotation can be fixed naturally when you are young and is harder to fix when youre a young adult, chewing with premolars maintains jaw alignment and facial structure by distributing biting forces evenly which can fix uneven chewing on one side.
Dont see the logic behind how some
hardmaxxes are valid but others arent however you cannot get ccw rotation naturally beyond prepubescent age.

3. i do not know the names and differences of surgeries as i dont intend on getting surgery, therefore i got it wrong and i apoligize for that but your other points are not valid
Ok maybe read https://************/threads/surgery-mega-thread.1636488/
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we dont have a surgery megathread here pretty sure
 

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You will never ascend past a certain limit with an ltn base without surgeries and there is definetely the need for those here. Telling someone he should concentrate on "habits" or "training your neck" is retarded and just offering bad coverup solutions that dont fix the problems. Noone needs a defined jawline if your bigonial width is as low as the holly killcount

Dont see the logic behind how some
hardmaxxes are valid but others arent however you cannot get ccw rotation naturally beyond prepubescent age.


Ok maybe read https://************/threads/surgery-mega-thread.1636488/
***** = .org website
we dont have a surgery megathread here pretty sure
1. highest you can reach with a LTN in my opinion is a LMTN/MTN depending on age, even if you have a bad gonial angle having a sharp jawline is better than having an invisible one

2. i said surgeries arent everything, not how HARDMAXXING isnt everything as some hardmaxx solutions are very good
 

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1. highest you can reach with a LTN in my opinion is a LMTN/MTN depending on age, even if you have a bad gonial angle having a sharp jawline is better than having an invisible one
He doesnt have a jawline issue though and I wasnt talking about the angle
 

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MARPE and LJE, train masseter muscle, do skincare, fix CCW rotation, grow out your hair and chew with your premolars
if you do this and still dont look very good get a bimax, rhinoplasty and possibly a double jaw surgery
would this take me to lmtn-mmtn?
 

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MARPE is already hard maxxing, if you get a bimax and a rhinoplasty i think itd land you hmtn to lhtn
 

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MARPE is already hard maxxing, if you get a bimax and a rhinoplasty i think itd land you hmtn to lhtn
ima need to get my money up 😭😭, but i think the reason for my nose is my maxilla so if i move it forward my nose would look better so there wouldnt be need for rhino no?
 

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ima need to get my money up 😭😭, but i think the reason for my nose is my maxilla so if i move it forward my nose would look better so there wouldnt be need for rhino no?
your nose is very thin and pointy in those pictures could be due to downward growth which would most likely only be fixed by rhinoplasty unless i'm forgetting something
 

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from the side its hooked so i just thought the main reason is my maxilla but ig a rhino would be needed aswell
from the pics it looks like a roman or ethnic nose, main problem is its due to downward growth and very thin
 

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i’m gonna try get to lhtn and i’ll probs carry on getting surgeries to maybe hit mhtn, i need to get my money up so bad for ts tho 😭
 

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forgot to ask aswell, how long would i have to keep the marpe on and have braces on?
A MARPE (Miniscrew-Assisted Rapid Palatal Expander) typically stays in your mouth for 6 to 12 months total, with the active widening phase lasting 2-4 weeks/months, followed by a crucial 3-6+ month retention phase for new bone to solidify in the expanded space. Removing it too soon can reverse progress
 

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A MARPE (Miniscrew-Assisted Rapid Palatal Expander) typically stays in your mouth for 6 to 12 months total, with the active widening phase lasting 2-4 weeks/months, followed by a crucial 3-6+ month retention phase for new bone to solidify in the expanded space. Removing it too soon can reverse progress
Alright 👍 And i would only need braces after for only a couple kf months as ive already had them previously and my teeth are straight right?
 
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