[acromegalic]

Hello bhais, this is my cycle walkthrough/introduction post. To begin, I will provide some context...

I am currently 16.75 years old (5'10 140lbs) and am 9 weeks into 6iu hgh nightly with 6.25mg aromasin EOD as a "height stack", with which I have seen solid results (apx. 1 inch height increase so far). This April, I am planning on adding testosterone, and am looking for guidance on the protocol and ancillaries I would need to get the most out of my cycle. I'm primarily running test in hopes to gain some additional dimo, but any lasting physique gains are welcome too ofc.

The current cycle is drafted as such:
300mg test cyp (75mg EOD)
12.5mg aromasin EOD
6iu HGH ED
250iu HCG EOD

0.5mg Mt-1 eod will also be administered for a short period during the summer, but this is negligible... also wondering about the consensus on supplementing T3/Liothyronine, if anyone has insight.

Ancillaries/supps include:
3g fish oil ED
5g creatine ED
5mg oral minox ED
5mg tadalafil preworkout (basically ED)
... and some misc. vitamins, as well as a thyroid support supp which I have already been using

The HGH will be sustained for another few months, making the total duration of that cycle around 6-8 months, with 4 months off before restarting. I am planning to add in 300 test for 20+ weeks starting in April and eventually coming off, leading to my PCT Stack...

For PCT, the cycle is:
250 iu HCG EOD, titrating down over the course of 2 weeks
12.5mg Enclomiphine
20mg Tamoxifen

I'm expecting PCT to last anywhere from 1-3 months and am hoping to end the cycle with some additional lean muscle mass and dimorphism from the elevated T and DHT levels, as well as a fully functional HPTa . Admittedly, I have not done my due diligence with studying the dosages for PCT, so they are subject to change and any guidance would be appreciated...

Thanks for reading; and now, some questions for you:

Are my expectations for this cycle realistic? What could I improve (dosages, duration, add/remove compounds, etc)? Should I just LDAR until I'm older?

Any constructive criticism, thoughts, and opinions are welcome.. I look forward to reading any replies.

Much love

Biomaxx

 

[Circadex]

Seems decent from what little i know. I need to start researching more, stopped some months ago and can't start again; no motivation. But Godveil Heir oldfag and biomaxx (he's already pinged, though) are educated on this topic and i think they'd help since this is a high-effort question.

 

[oldfag]

12.5mg Enclomiphine

stay away from enclo where possible it can fuck your eyes up
t. experience
yes i know the data is regarding clomid it doesnt matter enclo can too

looks good. seem like a smart kid

 

[oldfag]

definitely way smarter than i was at your age

 

[Godveil Heir]

I'm primarily running test in hopes to gain some additional dimo, but any lasting physique gains are welcome too ofc.

If your main goal is to make dimo changes other than physique at 16.5, don't bother.
If muscles are your goal, you can proceed.

300mg test cyp (75mg EOD)
12.5mg aromasin EOD

you're taking aromasin already & still 300?? common...
push it to 600 mg/week
Gains are exponential upto 600mg, you're leaving a lot of free gains on the table for nothing.
At 300 mg, you’re in a gray area between TRT and a full blast, just making it tricky to properly manage your aromatase inhibitor.

5mg oral minox ED

drop it, dumb sit for the traumatized victims of of norwood reaper, who somehow barely managed to survive
just bloats you
You need DUTASTERIDE
A daily dose of 0.5 mg is the minimum when using steroids, but studies show dose‑dependent effects up to 5 mg. I recommend taking 5 mg or at least 2.5 mg.

and I mean dutasteride specifically!, finasteride won't do.
Not just because finasteride is too weak to counteract steroids, but also because dutasteride inhibits both type I and type II isoenzymes of 5α‑reductase, whereas finasteride inhibits only type II.
That Type 1 isoenzyme inhibition means dutasteride can reduce skin inflammation, preventing skin aging with protecting elastin from DHT aswell as reducing sebum production & providing partial protection against acne.

And speaking of acne,
don't forget to couple that up with microdose of accutane for acne prevention.
don't miss it or you'll regret it.

For PCT, the cycle is:

If you're planning to hop off, do HCG during the cycle and then go cold turkey when you finish.
Taking it after the cycle will only delay your Leydig cells recovery. The other two are just soy, skip them.
PCT is just jewish scam
You recover just fine without them, and they don't have a significant impact on recovery:
https://academic.oup.com/humrep/article/36/4/880/6129954
Q. What is the speed and extent by which endogenous testosterone production and spermatogenesis recover after androgen abuse?
test 3 months
sperm 1 year+

 

[acromegalic]

stay away from enclo where possible it can fuck your eyes up
t. experience
yes i know the data is regarding clomid it doesnt matter enclo can too

looks good. seem like a smart kid

Much appreciated.. do you recommend any alternatives to enclo or should I just stick with the tamox?

 

[acromegalic]

If your main goal is to make dimo changes other than physique at 16.5, don't bother.
If muscles are your goal, you can proceed.



you're taking aromasin already & still 300?? common...
push it to 600 mg/week
Gains are exponential upto 600mg, you're leaving a lot of free gains on the table for nothing.
At 300 mg, you’re in a gray area between TRT and a full blast, just making it tricky to properly manage your aromatase inhibitor.


drop it, dumb sit for the traumatized victims of of norwood reaper, who somehow barely managed to survive
just bloats you
You need DUTASTERIDE
A daily dose of 0.5 mg is the minimum when using steroids, but studies show dose‑dependent effects up to 5 mg. I recommend taking 5 mg or at least 2.5 mg.

and I mean dutasteride specifically!, finasteride won't do.
Not just because finasteride is too weak to counteract steroids, but also because dutasteride inhibits both type I and type II isoenzymes of 5α‑reductase, whereas finasteride inhibits only type II.
That Type 1 isoenzyme inhibition means dutasteride can reduce skin inflammation, preventing skin aging with protecting elastin from DHT aswell as reducing sebum production & providing partial protection against acne.

And speaking of acne,
don't forget to couple that up with microdose of accutane for acne prevention.
don't miss it or you'll regret it.


If you're planning to hop off, do HCG during the cycle and then go cold turkey when you finish.
Taking it after the cycle will only delay your Leydig cells recovery. The other two are just soy, skip them.
PCT is just jewish scam
You recover just fine without them, and they don't have a significant impact on recovery:
https://academic.oup.com/humrep/article/36/4/880/6129954
Q. What is the speed and extent by which endogenous testosterone production and spermatogenesis recover after androgen abuse?
test 3 months
sperm 1 year+

Thanks for the high effort reply; I appreciate your in depth response. Some questions though:
1. At 600mg/wk, do you suppose 25mg asin EOD would suffice?
2. At my age, I am worried that I may permanently downregulate my HPTa without proper PCT.. Am I being paranoid? At this point, I simply do not want to commit to lifetime TRT so I want to mitigate that risk as much as possible, even if levels will return on their own in due time. My bottom line is, would it hurt to do some sort of PCT even if it's unnecessary?

 

[Circadex]

If your main goal is to make dimo changes other than physique at 16.5, don't bother.
If muscles are your goal, you can proceed.



you're taking aromasin already & still 300?? common...
push it to 600 mg/week
Gains are exponential upto 600mg, you're leaving a lot of free gains on the table for nothing.
At 300 mg, you’re in a gray area between TRT and a full blast, just making it tricky to properly manage your aromatase inhibitor.


drop it, dumb sit for the traumatized victims of of norwood reaper, who somehow barely managed to survive
just bloats you
You need DUTASTERIDE
A daily dose of 0.5 mg is the minimum when using steroids, but studies show dose‑dependent effects up to 5 mg. I recommend taking 5 mg or at least 2.5 mg.

and I mean dutasteride specifically!, finasteride won't do.
Not just because finasteride is too weak to counteract steroids, but also because dutasteride inhibits both type I and type II isoenzymes of 5α‑reductase, whereas finasteride inhibits only type II.
That Type 1 isoenzyme inhibition means dutasteride can reduce skin inflammation, preventing skin aging with protecting elastin from DHT aswell as reducing sebum production & providing partial protection against acne.

And speaking of acne,
don't forget to couple that up with microdose of accutane for acne prevention.
don't miss it or you'll regret it.


If you're planning to hop off, do HCG during the cycle and then go cold turkey when you finish.
Taking it after the cycle will only delay your Leydig cells recovery. The other two are just soy, skip them.
PCT is just jewish scam
You recover just fine without them, and they don't have a significant impact on recovery:
https://academic.oup.com/humrep/article/36/4/880/6129954
Q. What is the speed and extent by which endogenous testosterone production and spermatogenesis recover after androgen abuse?
test 3 months
sperm 1 year+

acromegalic Reply to veil "DNR that wall of text, stinky jew."

 

[Circadex]

Fuck i was late

 

[Godveil Heir]

1. At 600mg/wk, do you suppose 25mg asin EOD would suffice?

90% of people don’t even need AI on a 500–600 mg test cycle to begin with,
and most use only half that AI dose. It will easily be sufficient.

At my age, I am worried that I may permanently downregulate my HPTa without proper PCT..

don't worry about it, most of it is done by 14-16, 14 yo nearly has same test as an adult
I was arguing with old fag about this a few hours ago
PCT still wouldn't be very relevant in this case. It doesn't have a drastic impact on your recovery,
people just fear-monger and hype it up by grouping it with HCG.
hcg is good, rest is meh

Am I being paranoid?

At this point, I simply do not want to commit to lifetime TRT so I want to mitigate that risk as much as possible,

High-dose TRT mogs natural testosterone, and it costs about $20 a month anyway. You'll learn this after your cycle, but if you still want to stop,

just 3 months, and your testosterone will recover. I linked the study in my first reply
If you use HCG during the cycle, the recovery will be even smoother.

even if levels will return on their own in due time. My bottom line is, would it hurt to do some sort of PCT even if it's unnecessary?

No, there's no big harm to it, it's just jester

 

[Biomaxx]

Hello bhais, this is my cycle walkthrough/introduction post. To begin, I will provide some context...

I am currently 16.75 years old (5'10 140lbs) and am 9 weeks into 6iu hgh nightly with 6.25mg aromasin EOD as a "height stack", with which I have seen solid results (apx. 1 inch height increase so far). This April, I am planning on adding testosterone, and am looking for guidance on the protocol and ancillaries I would need to get the most out of my cycle. I'm primarily running test in hopes to gain some additional dimo, but any lasting physique gains are welcome too ofc.

The current cycle is drafted as such:
300mg test cyp (75mg EOD)
12.5mg aromasin EOD
6iu HGH ED
250iu HCG EOD

0.5mg Mt-1 eod will also be administered for a short period during the summer, but this is negligible... also wondering about the consensus on supplementing T3/Liothyronine, if anyone has insight.

Ancillaries/supps include:
3g fish oil ED
5g creatine ED
5mg oral minox ED
5mg tadalafil preworkout (basically ED)
... and some misc. vitamins, as well as a thyroid support supp which I have already been using

The HGH will be sustained for another few months, making the total duration of that cycle around 6-8 months, with 4 months off before restarting. I am planning to add in 300 test for 20+ weeks starting in April and eventually coming off, leading to my PCT Stack...

For PCT, the cycle is:
250 iu HCG EOD, titrating down over the course of 2 weeks
12.5mg Enclomiphine
20mg Tamoxifen

I'm expecting PCT to last anywhere from 1-3 months and am hoping to end the cycle with some additional lean muscle mass and dimorphism from the elevated T and DHT levels, as well as a fully functional HPTa . Admittedly, I have not done my due diligence with studying the dosages for PCT, so they are subject to change and any guidance would be appreciated...

Thanks for reading; and now, some questions for you:

Are my expectations for this cycle realistic? What could I improve (dosages, duration, add/remove compounds, etc)? Should I just LDAR until I'm older?

Any constructive criticism, thoughts, and opinions are welcome.. I look forward to reading any replies.

Much love

Biomaxx

Imo a 20 week cycle is very long . After your hop of you hpta will down for very long, twenty weeks increases atherosclerotic risk compared to shorter cycles, especially without lipid management and blood donation.

I think minox is good but either way u shoudnt take systematic dht blockers during puberty, either take topical or save ur hair post cycle.


Will extend later js tag me again please but im running late for college

 

[Biomaxx]

Imo a 20 week cycle is very long . After your hop of you hpta will down for very long, twenty weeks increases atherosclerotic risk compared to shorter cycles, especially without lipid management and blood donation.

I think minox is good but either way u shoudnt take systematic dht blockers during puberty, either take topical or save ur hair post cycle.


Will extend later js tag me again please but im running late for college

U dont need to pin cyp eod but up to u rlly.

At the end of ur cycle taper down your test so u dont have a big drop.

Thread 'PCT GUIDE' https://looksmax.gg/threads/pct-guide.13514/

Defo use tamoxifen for visual e2 effects loke gyno ext

Thanks for the high effort reply; I appreciate your in depth response. Some questions though:
1. At 600mg/wk, do you suppose 25mg asin EOD would suffice?
2. At my age, I am worried that I may permanently downregulate my HPTa without proper PCT.. Am I being paranoid? At this point, I simply do not want to commit to lifetime TRT so I want to mitigate that risk as much as possible, even if levels will return on their own in due time. My bottom line is, would it hurt to do some sort of PCT even if it's unnecessary?

1) 25 js to much, ask gpt for a quick estimate on ur e2 lvls through some question, obv wont be dead accurate but will stop u becoming retarded and depressed

2) Imo pct should be used but dont panic to much especially if ur using hcg on cycle

Thread 'What is hcg ? (Snippet)' https://looksmax.gg/threads/what-is-hcg-snippet.10319/